open & close

[Plumps]

Just a short confirmation.

I asked K. Pawl how to say 'I open/close my eyes'. I think this was briefly touched upon during the October 2010 meetup but never decided or decisively ruled on. This is what he responded:

The usage is indeed:

Oeri menarir(u) piak/tstu si. 'I open/close my eyes.'

You could also justify:

Oe menarir(u) piak/tstu si. Literally, that would be something like: I do opening to the eyes.

To say "His eyes opened," you'd say:

Pori menari piak säpoli. This is the same pattern as win si / win säpi.

edit: typo, hìtxoa

[Tirea Aean]

äp. fascinating

[Kamean]

Irayo ma Plumps.

[Alyara Arati]

I can see and understand the reasoning behind all of the above, but why not:

peyä menari tstu säpoli

(too literal minded?)

[Blue Elf]

I can see and understand the reasoning behind all of the above, but why not:

peyä menari tstu säpoli

(too literal minded?)

eyes fall into inalieable possesion, I think, so topical is best

[Tirea Aean]

not "is best" as much as "is more idiomatic" as Pawl said

[Kemaweyan]

I can see and understand the reasoning behind all of the above, but why not:

peyä menari tstu säpoli

(too literal minded?)

I think, it would be correct too. But not *Oeyä menarir(u) piak/tstu si. Tì'efumì oeyä, it's a good example how the word in topic could be the subject (oeri piak si) and express the possession (oeri menarir) in the same sentence. So genitive would be wrong here

I asked K. Pawl how to say 'I hopen/close my eyes'.

Ma Plumps, please fix this