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If nì- will attach at 'e'...
« on: October 09, 2013, 02:00:01 am »
Kaltxì ma frapo!

Oe polawm Karyu Pawlur lì'uteri alu nìyawr ulte lu oeru 'upxare atxantsan. :)

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You've done a very nice job of analysis! What you've determined about - being added to a root that starts with e is absolutely correct. It does indeed depend on the stress.

If the stress is on the e, the e "overpowers" the ì of -, which then drops. So, as you've noted,

*nìetrìp > netrìp

But if the e is unstressed, then the ì of - overpowers the e. So:

*nìeyawr > nìyawr

You've determined the rules correctly!

There are some exceptions, though. For example, in the Weaving Song, there's this line:

Katot täftxu oel nìean nìrim   'I weave the rhythm in yellow and blue'

Here the unusual word nìean 'in blue' has remained in its original form, without becoming *nean.

So, if - will attach at an unstressed 'e' of a root word, the letter will drop, but if the 'e' is stressed, the 'ì' of - will drop.
Note the exceptions of nìean.

E: Typo
« Last Edit: April 23, 2014, 06:58:55 pm by Tìtstewan »

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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2013, 02:30:12 am »
Txantsan! Set tsun fko sivar fìkorenit nìskepek ;) Irayo :)

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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2013, 03:02:09 am »
Awesome! I suspected this to be the case. :D

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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2013, 01:23:54 pm »
Irayo seiyi! :)
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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2013, 03:55:36 pm »
Very good, but another little rule to try to remember. Na'vi really is becoming a 'real' language! ;)

I should come up with rhymes to remember stuff like this such as the Englsih 'when two vowels walk the lane, the first one states its name'. (refers to the pronunciation of words like 'boar', 'meat', 'main', etc.)

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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2013, 04:19:11 pm »
Very good, but another little rule to try to remember. Na'vi really is becoming a 'real' language! ;)

I should come up with rhymes to remember stuff like this such as the English 'when two vowels walk the lane, the first one states its name'. (refers to the pronunciation of words like 'boar', 'meat', 'main', etc.)
HRH!  The (English) I before E rule in Na'vi... 
Technically as it's supposed to be a spoken language only, these will have to be tawtute constructs, since the Na'vi can't spell or write...  At least, not up to this point in Na'vi.


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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2013, 04:29:42 pm »
Very good, but another little rule to try to remember. Na'vi really is becoming a 'real' language! ;)

I should come up with rhymes to remember stuff like this such as the Englsih 'when two vowels walk the lane, the first one states its name'. (refers to the pronunciation of words like 'boar', 'meat', 'main', etc.)

like

ì eats up e except if it's stressed:
then e eats up ì because it's the best

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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2013, 04:32:42 pm »
LOL
My try:
Unstressed e will beat by ì, stressed e will beat ì.

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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2013, 07:50:41 pm »
No ì messes with a stressed >:( e >:(, man, they're too strong to take them out.  Doesn't rhyme, but it gets the rule right, at least. ;D
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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2013, 04:00:49 am »
Well, another problem has solution :)
But another rises up:
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Katot täftxu oel nìean nìrim   'I weave the rhythm in yellow and blue'
This reminds me Naviteri post about colors:
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To further subdivide the spectrum and name colors more specifically, Na’vi has 3 distinct mechanisms:

(1)    Na-constructions
(2)    Adverbial modification with nì-
(3)    Compounding
Methods (2) and (3) still weren't published. I asked Paul some time before about method (2), but my question was queued - and not answered yet...
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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2013, 05:12:42 am »
Are rìkean and ta'lengean examples of 3) compounding?

I think by 2) he may have meant something like ean nìNa'vi or similar? Or even ean nìrim (yellow-green? Yellowly green?)

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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2013, 07:10:23 am »
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Katot täftxu oel nìean nìrim   'I weave the rhythm in yellow and blue'
This reminds me Naviteri post about colors:
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To further subdivide the spectrum and name colors more specifically, Na’vi has 3 distinct mechanisms:

(1)    Na-constructions
(2)    Adverbial modification with nì-
(3)    Compounding
Methods (2) and (3) still weren't published. I asked Paul some time before about method (2), but my question was queued - and not answered yet...
Do you have asked Pawl about this yet or shall I ask him about that? (I want to ask him about the exceptions like nìean and maybe this is "method 2") :-\

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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2013, 11:52:34 am »
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Katot täftxu oel nìean nìrim   'I weave the rhythm in yellow and blue'
This reminds me Naviteri post about colors:
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To further subdivide the spectrum and name colors more specifically, Na’vi has 3 distinct mechanisms:

(1)    Na-constructions
(2)    Adverbial modification with nì-
(3)    Compounding
Methods (2) and (3) still weren't published. I asked Paul some time before about method (2), but my question was queued - and not answered yet...
Do you have asked Pawl about this yet or shall I ask him about that? (I want to ask him about the exceptions like nìean and maybe this is "method 2") :-\

go ahead, because I did not ask him anything.

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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2013, 12:33:24 pm »
This question was adressed to Blue Elf.

Edit:
I was on the LN Wiki and I've added this to the Canon 2013:
The adverb marker nì- and 'e' of a root word

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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2013, 07:46:49 am »
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Katot täftxu oel nìean nìrim   'I weave the rhythm in yellow and blue'
This reminds me Naviteri post about colors:
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To further subdivide the spectrum and name colors more specifically, Na’vi has 3 distinct mechanisms:

(1)    Na-constructions
(2)    Adverbial modification with nì-
(3)    Compounding
Methods (2) and (3) still weren't published. I asked Paul some time before about method (2), but my question was queued - and not answered yet...
Do you have asked Pawl about this yet or shall I ask him about that? (I want to ask him about the exceptions like nìean and maybe this is "method 2") :-\
I plan to ask him when sending LEP submission.
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Re: If nì- will attached at 'e'...
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2013, 07:48:39 am »
Great! just do this, because I will not sent him too much mails...probably he is busy. :)

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