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kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« on: May 18, 2011, 02:10:10 am »
Ma frapo,

a few minor confirmations.
I asked Dr Frommer about his blessing for kawtseng ‘nowhere’ (with the expected double negation) and tsapo ‘that one’ (with the expected case endings). His reply:


Quote from: K. Pawl, 13 May
Kawtseng and tsapo are fine. Go ahead and announce them, and I’ll try to include them in some of my example sentences as well.
and regarding stress:

Quote from: K. Pawl, 18 May
It’s KAW.tseng and TSA.po.

Also, Inspirata’s question about how prefixes behave that ‘collide’ with the same vowel got me intrigued and I asked about that.

Quote from: K. Pawl, 18 May
As for your other question, the general rule is that when two identical vowels come together, they coalesce into one. So in your examples, the words become fìlva, tsatan, and fnekxan respectively. Of course if the noun begins with a glottal stop, this doesn’t happen. For example, ‘this spiral’ is fì’ìheyu.


edit: translation added ::)
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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2011, 02:18:32 am »
Noted. Txantsan, fí'uri seiyi irayo ma Plumps :)

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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2011, 02:24:19 am »
Txantsan :D Now all that's left AFAIK to question Frommer on teri phonetics is the intonation of Na'vi...

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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2011, 07:19:10 am »
I knew you’d like that ;D

Now all that's left AFAIK to question Frommer on teri phonetics is the intonation of Na'vi...

I’ll let you handle that one ;) :P

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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2011, 08:01:17 am »
Irayo ma Plumps, prefixes*ìri nìpxi :)
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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2011, 09:03:23 am »
Quote from: K. Pawl, 13 May
Kawtseng and tsapo are fine. Go ahead and announce them, and I’ll try to include them in some of my example sentences as well.

That will be useful.  The semantics of the whole -po class, especially animacy, is a bit funky.
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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2011, 02:07:32 pm »
Irayo nìtxan ma Plumps. :)
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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2011, 10:29:10 pm »
Quote from: K. Pawl, 13 May
Kawtseng and tsapo are fine. Go ahead and announce them, and I’ll try to include them in some of my example sentences as well.

That will be useful.  The semantics of the whole -po class, especially animacy, is a bit funky.

Mllte, and what's more interesting is that there's no fìtu, kawpo, or fratu....

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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2011, 10:57:48 pm »
I think these are incorrect forms.
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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2011, 10:24:32 am »
I think these are incorrect forms.
Seems like it.
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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2011, 11:06:18 pm »
...even kawpo?

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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2011, 08:12:05 am »
...even kawpo?

Not one (s)he doesn't make a lot of sense to me...
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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2011, 02:47:30 pm »
To understand well: tsapo replaces tsatu, or we can use both of them from now?
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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2011, 10:51:49 pm »
To understand well: tsapo replaces tsatu, or we can use both of them from now?
Both. No replacement involved.

Tsatu is for person definitely because of the tute inside.
Tsapo can be also for plants, animals .. read more here.
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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2011, 11:35:09 pm »
...even kawpo?

Not one (s)he doesn't make a lot of sense to me...

To me it only seems to make as much sense as this s/he or that s/he or every s/he.... although sooner or later, without that word, I may just see it as a quirk in the language.

Kop, if not fìtu and fratu, then the long forms fìtute and fratute should be used instead, as they are generally considered to sound more correct, kefyak?

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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2011, 05:51:27 pm »

Is tsatu canonical? If so, where/when is it from?


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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2011, 06:17:56 pm »
Is tsatu canonical? If so, where/when is it from?

ASG, glossed as "that person."
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Re: kawtseng, tsapo and prefixes
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2011, 06:30:58 pm »
Is tsatu canonical? If so, where/when is it from?

ASG, glossed as "that person."

Thank you.

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