New words from the 2012 AvatarMeet Na'vi class

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Prrton

Quote from: Blue Elf on July 26, 2012, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: Prrton on July 26, 2012, 01:33:21 PM

Swoa is a liquid like pay, so not countable. I am under the impression that naer is countable, so naer swoayä would give you a countable beverage that is intoxicating. It seems it would be useful to have an adjective, leswoa, for "intoxicating". That should probably be proposed through the LEP.
This leads to discussion about le- productivity. In dictionary it is located in main area (le–: [lE] PF adjective deriving affix), not under Inflections chapter, what is interesting and one can think it is fully productive....

But it's not fully productive. Does leswoa mean "intoxicating" (focus on the effect on people) or "alcoholic" (focus on the way the beverage is created chemically)?

That's why le- adjectives must be canonized by K. Pawl for their ultimate definitions in the dictionary. If we coin them ad hoc for ourselves we will end up being "close" for he meaning in most cases, but not precise.

`Eylan Ayfalulukanä

That brings up an interesting point.

When we think of something that is 'intoxicating', we are usually thinking of an alcoholic beverage. But perhaps there is something in the Pandoran environment that is 'intoxicating' in place of, or in addition to, alcohol. Thus in this case, 'intoxicating' is IMHO a very adequate definition of swoa.

Yawey ngahu!
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Blue Elf

Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on July 26, 2012, 09:06:41 PM
That brings up an interesting point.

When we think of something that is 'intoxicating', we are usually thinking of an alcoholic beverage. But perhaps there is something in the Pandoran environment that is 'intoxicating' in place of, or in addition to, alcohol. Thus in this case, 'intoxicating' is IMHO a very adequate definition of swoa.
As for "swoa", my first thinking is about uniltaron and using eltungawng during this ceremony
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


`Eylan Ayfalulukanä

Quote from: Blue Elf on July 27, 2012, 02:46:07 AM
Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on July 26, 2012, 09:06:41 PM
That brings up an interesting point.

When we think of something that is 'intoxicating', we are usually thinking of an alcoholic beverage. But perhaps there is something in the Pandoran environment that is 'intoxicating' in place of, or in addition to, alcohol. Thus in this case, 'intoxicating' is IMHO a very adequate definition of swoa.
As for "swoa", my first thinking is about uniltaron and using eltungawng during this ceremony

That could be permanently intoxicating.....

Yawey ngahu!
pamrel si ro [email protected]

Prrton


Keep in mind that swoa is a pragmatic cognate for "alcohol". I'm not sure the etymology of the word is clear.

In the final dialogue from Seattle:

A. Sunu ngaru pxir srak?
B. Ngaytxoa, ke tsun oe swoat niväk.
 Oeri lu swoa fnetxum.
A. Tslolam. Nga tsun niväk wewa payit. Ulte ke rayou!
B. Tseiun tivam.

Pxir lu fneswoa. Beer is a pragmatic cognate to a type of swoa.

Again, I don't know if the creation and drinking of swoa came out of a ceremonial context or not, but as evidenced by unrendered footage from the film, when Na'vi or humans driving avatars drink swoa, they can rou (= get drunk).


Seze Mune

Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on July 26, 2012, 09:06:41 PM
That brings up an interesting point.

When we think of something that is 'intoxicating', we are usually thinking of an alcoholic beverage. But perhaps there is something in the Pandoran environment that is 'intoxicating' in place of, or in addition to, alcohol. Thus in this case, 'intoxicating' is IMHO a very adequate definition of swoa.

One *could* use 'intoxicating' in a figurative sense as well:  Her scent was intoxicating....

No need to worry about that right now if we really DON'T have a word for 'intoxicating', kefyak?

Prrton


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