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Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« on: April 03, 2010, 10:59:37 am »
Tse, lahea trr a oel fpamìl san lìyevu prrte' sì mowan fko a ngolop Na'viyä aylì'uä kelkut sìk. 'änsyema puk mì fìlì'fya ke keteng layu, tatlam, slä teng layu na Ìnglìsìmì fko. Fìkem skxakep tìprrte' layu! Ha, na krr a oe lu numtsengmì, tsere'a ke ftära pa'or sì ke skiena pa'or, oe sngä'i. Oel, eylanhu, leykolatem hemlì'ut sì stxolì'ut, sì fralì'ut lì'uä kelkumì. Slä tewti! Wotx fkoä lamu ftue ke - slä frakrr fko mowan lu, ulte kawkrr vä'.


kemlì’uverb   N
tstxolì’unounN
ftär    left (not right)   ADJ
skienright (not left)ADJ
’änsyem completeADJ
wotx   totality, wholeN
mowanpleasing, enjoyableADJ
prrte’ pleasurable (of an activity)ADJ
vä’unpleasant to the sensesADJ
tengsame, equalADJ
tatlamapparentlyADV
ketengdifferentADJ
numtsengschoolN
skxakepprobable; probablyADJ, ADV
prrte’pleasureN
   

Ayngaru tìprrtet zamivunge faylì'ut! :)


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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2010, 11:06:12 am »
Txantsan ma Taronyu!! Nawma fmawn leiu fwa lu awngar faylì'u amip! :)

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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2010, 12:27:40 pm »

skxakepprobably; probablyADJ, ADV
   

Do you mean "probable, probably," ma tsmukan?

And are mowan and vä' opposites, then?
« Last Edit: April 03, 2010, 12:34:24 pm by tigermind »
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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2010, 12:42:52 pm »
And are mowan and vä' opposites, then?

I would think vä' and lor are more likely opposites.

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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2010, 12:51:33 pm »
And are mowan and vä' opposites, then?

I would think vä' and lor are more likely opposites.


Really?  Hmm... Seems strange to me, but okay.

And one more question: is it 'änsyem or 'ängsyem, ma smuk?  Oel tse'a faylì'ut amune 'upxaremì Taronyuä 
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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2010, 01:21:16 pm »
txantsan!

Thanks for sharing - I take it these words are from Frommer?
May I suggest a spoiler for those of us in the community who are not that used to a longer text in Na'vi?


Ha, na krr a oe lu numtsengmì, tsere'a ke ftära pa'or sì ke skiena pa'or, oe sngä'i.

Shouldn't that be oel tok numtsengit ?

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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2010, 01:48:39 pm »
txantsan!

Thanks for sharing - I take it these words are from Frommer?
May I suggest a spoiler for those of us in the community who are not that used to a longer text in Na'vi?


Ha, na krr a oe lu numtsengmì, tsere'a ke ftära pa'or sì ke skiena pa'or, oe sngä'i.

Shouldn't that be oel tok numtsengit ?

Yeah, they're all Frommerian.

Interesting question about "be". If I had to guess, I'd think it might be "I'm at school" vs "I'm in school", but I'm probably wrong.

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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2010, 01:55:23 pm »
Will include a spoiler tonight. And answer these questions. Sorry, pressed for time right now.

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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2010, 02:08:51 pm »
Yeah, they're all Frommerian.

Interesting question about "be". If I had to guess, I'd think it might be "I'm at school" vs "I'm in school", but I'm probably wrong.

But that would make for an interesting semantic puzzle ... I took Frommer's sample sentence "Yesterday I was with Tewì in the forest..." There we had oel talmok na'rìngit (AFAIK)
But it makes a difference whether I'm in the forest or at the forest ... does the same hold true for in school and at school?

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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2010, 02:12:22 pm »
Yeah, they're all Frommerian.

Interesting question about "be". If I had to guess, I'd think it might be "I'm at school" vs "I'm in school", but I'm probably wrong.

But that would make for an interesting semantic puzzle ... I took Frommer's sample sentence "Yesterday I was with Tewì in the forest..." There we had oel talmok na'rìngit (AFAIK)
But it makes a difference whether I'm in the forest or at the forest ... does the same hold true for in school and at school?


The difference between in and at school is whether you're enrolled in school or physically present at the school. "Tok" might mean physically present; on the other hand, I don't think you could use "in" if you're not "in".

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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2010, 02:15:03 pm »
Isn't the main difference between "tok" and "lu" is that we should use "tok" when speaking about places?
This would settle the problem... but i could miss something, so please tell me if i had...
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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2010, 02:44:57 pm »
And are mowan and vä' opposites, then?

I would think vä' and lor are more likely opposites.

Really?  Hmm... Seems strange to me, but okay.

And one more question: is it 'änsyem or 'ängsyem, ma smuk?  Oel tse'a faylì'ut amune 'upxaremì Taronyuä 

The list is correct. Typo in the text above it.

Lor is "pleasant to the senses", vä' "unpleasant to the senses", so I take them as antonyms. Pretty vs. ugly for sights & sounds, good vs. yucky for taste, beautiful vs. foul for smell, etc. We don't have good equivalents for these for touch in English.

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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2010, 02:46:10 pm »
Isn't the main difference between "tok" and "lu" is that we should use "tok" when speaking about places?
This would settle the problem... but i could miss something, so please tell me if i had...

Nice idea, but lu + adp. is used all the time for place.

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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2010, 02:48:20 pm »
Oh, irayo, i didn't know that...
It certainly did worth a try ;)
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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2010, 03:05:25 pm »
Isn't the main difference between "tok" and "lu" is that we should use "tok" when speaking about places?
This would settle the problem... but i could miss something, so please tell me if i had...

Nice idea, but lu + adp. is used all the time for place.
Do we have corpus examples of that?  Off the top of my head all I can think of is "Fayvrrtep fìtsenge lu kxanì" which isn't using it in any way that tok would make sense because it's describing a state of this place rather than a location of something.
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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2010, 03:08:30 pm »
Well, this is the most unexpectedly complex set of new words we've ever received. This proves that Frommer has been a busy tutan lelì'fya over the last 5 years. The lexicon must be huge.

And do I see the first adverb not derived by "nì-?"
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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2010, 03:13:56 pm »
Isn't the main difference between "tok" and "lu" is that we should use "tok" when speaking about places?
This would settle the problem... but i could miss something, so please tell me if i had...

Nice idea, but lu + adp. is used all the time for place.
Do we have corpus examples of that?  Off the top of my head all I can think of is "Fayvrrtep fìtsenge lu kxanì" which isn't using it in any way that tok would make sense because it's describing a state of this place rather than a location of something.

    Ke fparmìl oel futa lu tute a tsun nì-Na’vi set fìfya pivlltxe!
    "I didn't think that there was anyone who could speak Na’vi like this!"

    Ke lu kawtu a nulnivew oe pohu tireapivängkxo äo Utral Aymokriyä.
    "There’s nobody I’d rather commune with under the Tree of Voices"

    Eo ayoeng lu txana tìkawng.
    A great evil is upon us.

Now, all of these are BE in the sense of "there is, there are", which is also how 'have' works. It's possible that when we want to be more specific than just "there is", we should use 'tok', but what's the diff tween tìkawg lu ayoengeo and oe lu numcegmì ?
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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2010, 03:23:28 pm »
And are mowan and vä' opposites, then?

I would think vä' and lor are more likely opposites.

Really?  Hmm... Seems strange to me, but okay.

And one more question: is it 'änsyem or 'ängsyem, ma smuk?  Oel tse'a faylì'ut amune 'upxaremì Taronyuä 

The list is correct. Typo in the text above it.

Lor is "pleasant to the senses", vä' "unpleasant to the senses", so I take them as antonyms. Pretty vs. ugly for sights & sounds, good vs. yucky for taste, beautiful vs. foul for smell, etc. We don't have good equivalents for these for touch in English.

Tam. Irayo, ma tsmukan.
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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2010, 03:28:01 pm »
And do I see the first adverb not derived by "nì-?"

No, no, we have plenty of those: set, fìtxan, pehrr.  I suspect tatlam is a slightly squished prepositional phrase — ta tìlam — that turned into its own word by regular use.
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Re: Mipa Aylì'u Teri Tusäftxua Fìlì'fya!
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2010, 03:30:43 pm »
Let me get my red marker... :D

Tse, latrr a oel fpäpìl san layevu prrte' sì mowan fko a ngolop Na'viyä aylì'uä kelkut sìk. 'ängsyema puk mì fìlì'fya ke keteng layu, tatlam, slä teng layu na Ìnglìsìmì fko. Fìkem skxakep tìprrte' layu! Ha, na krr a oe lu numtsengmì, tsere'a ke ftära pa'or sì ke skiena pa'or, oe sngä'i. Oel, eylanhu, lolatem hemlì'ut sì stxolì'ut, sì fralì'ut lì'uä kelkumì. Slä nang! Wotx fkoä lamu ftue ke - slä frakrr fko mowan lu, ulte kawkrr vä'.

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« Last Edit: April 03, 2010, 03:54:19 pm by omängum fra'uti »
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