Na'vi Language Workshop: The Poll of Outstanding Questions

Started by Lance R. Casey, September 16, 2010, 03:39:01 PM

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Which of these topics are most important to you?

Dates in Na'vi
26 (41.3%)
Transitivity with verbs in ‹eyk›
15 (23.8%)
Transitivty and infix positions for all known verbs
21 (33.3%)
Rules of "ke"
13 (20.6%)
Negation with adverbs
3 (4.8%)
Rules of "txo"
15 (23.8%)
Word order with "slu"
8 (12.7%)
"Fì'u", "fìkem" and actions
7 (11.1%)
Rules of "-pe+"
10 (15.9%)
More comparative constructs
11 (17.5%)
Rules of "sä-"
11 (17.5%)
More on "si"-constructions
13 (20.6%)
Phonological issues
16 (25.4%)
Does "pum" have plural forms?
3 (4.8%)
Clarification on participles
6 (9.5%)
Rules of "tsnì"
10 (15.9%)
Combinations of pre-first position infixes
3 (4.8%)
Combinations of tense infixes
5 (7.9%)
Are "kä-" and "za-" productive prefixes?
5 (7.9%)
Which verbs can or must use the modal syntax?
9 (14.3%)
Tense with modal verbs
7 (11.1%)
Special plural cases
6 (9.5%)
Synonyms
16 (25.4%)
What kind of "good" is "sìltsan"?
14 (22.2%)
Inherent number of "tsopì"
2 (3.2%)
Rules of "nang"
11 (17.5%)
Use of "tätxaw"
0 (0%)
"Txan" and "pxay" with temporal words
4 (6.3%)
What kind of "think" does "fpìl" refer to?
12 (19%)
Meanings of "nì'aw"
6 (9.5%)
Productivity of reduplication
4 (6.3%)
Attribution of adpositional phrases
1 (1.6%)
Use and formation of adjectives
9 (14.3%)
Completion of answer-word chart
6 (9.5%)
Does Na'vi have any ideophones?
6 (9.5%)
"X out of Y"
6 (9.5%)
Application of gender suffixes
9 (14.3%)
One-time occurrences
4 (6.3%)
How do you say "[noun] is [prep] [location]"?
13 (20.6%)
Other functions of the genitive
7 (11.1%)
"Self" and "own"
21 (33.3%)
Number system extensions
12 (19%)
Dates in Na'vi
18 (28.6%)
Asking/giving permission
17 (27%)
Asking/giving directions
11 (17.5%)
Cardinal directions
13 (20.6%)

Total Members Voted: 63

Voting closed: September 19, 2010, 03:39:01 PM

Prrton


I would have loved to have seen at least 100 votes, but OH WELL...

We are what we are.  ::)

Ma Lance,

Your time and effort on this is TREMENDOUSLY appreciated and I don't believe it could have been done better. The doc is really compelling. I've seen most of this before, but it was still very interesting for me to read through it again.

BRAVO!!


`Eylan Ayfalulukanä

txantsan nang (to borrow from a proposed question), ma Lance.

This is worth reading more than once.

I did notice one problem, though: There are two item number 6's and no number 7.

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Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on September 19, 2010, 11:20:40 PM
I did notice one problem, though: There are two item number 6's and no number 7.

I also noticed two 2's in the doc.

Very fine compilation BTW :)

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Quote from: Lance R. Casey on September 19, 2010, 03:47:15 PM
Voting is now closed.

Quote from: Outdated forum newsThe Poll of Outstanding Questions for Karyu Pawl at the Na'vi Language Workshop is now open! Go make your voice heard!
(Soon to be updated oe sìlpey...)

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Lance R. Casey

There were quite a few tied places, so in the tradition of sports results I have given such items the same ranking, since neither takes precedence over the other, and then jumped a corresponding number of steps for the next non-tied entry. For example, there are four questions which had the same number of votes for place #11, so the next number in the sequence is #15.

// Lance R. Casey

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Ma Lance, thanks so much for all the work you've done regarding this poll and the summary document!    Certainly a very non-trivial effort.  :)

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I wish I could have voted. I found out about this too late :(

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DutchNavi

Quote from: Plumps on September 19, 2010, 05:16:09 PM
66 votes ... can that be taken as representative? :( Is that the number of 'official' speakers?

I think the 66 votes is in honor of Karyu Pawl's birthday. :)

"A full kinship system" has 26 votes (5.8%).
I really though 26/66 is about 39%. Luckily our Karyu Pawl has a degree in mathematics, so it shouldn't be too hard for him to multiply the percentages by seven.

kewnya txamew'itan

Ma Dutchnavi, the 66 is the number of people voting, not the number of votes (which is just under 7 times that number) so the percentages are correct, just measuring a different thing.
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DutchNavi

Thank you Lance for your great work and please don't bother about my comment below.  ;)

-- Off topic ---
Quote from: kewnya txamew'itan on September 21, 2010, 01:48:21 AM
Ma Dutchnavi, the 66 is the number of people voting, not the number of votes (which is just under 7 times that number) so the percentages are correct, just measuring a different thing.

I agree that there is a logical explanation for the percentages, but that doesn't mean the percentages are correct. If every voter had the choice to spend all his/her seven votes on one topic, then the percentages would indeed be correct. But in this case a voter can spend not more than one of his/her seven votes on one topic so the resulting percentages have to be calculated accordingly. In other words the maximum number of votes a topic can get (100%) is equal to the number of voters (66).
-- /Off topic ---

Prrton

Quote from: DutchNavi on September 21, 2010, 11:55:25 AM
Thank you Lance for your great work and please don't bother about my comment below.  ;)

-- Off topic ---
Quote from: kewnya txamew'itan on September 21, 2010, 01:48:21 AM
Ma Dutchnavi, the 66 is the number of people voting, not the number of votes (which is just under 7 times that number) so the percentages are correct, just measuring a different thing.

I agree that there is a logical explanation for the percentages, but that doesn't mean the percentages are correct. If every voter had the choice to spend all his/her seven votes on one topic, then the percentages would indeed be correct. But in this case a voter can spend not more than one of his/her seven votes on one topic so the resulting percentages have to be calculated accordingly. In other words the maximum number of votes a topic can get (100%) is equal to the number of voters (66).
-- /Off topic ---

I agree that the percentages as generated by the poll calc engine are at a minimum CONFUSING, but the rankings are fundamentally based on the number of votes. "Kinship System's" getting 26 votes means that 26 people overtly care about it. "Tätxaw" getting 0 means that even the person who came up with that question (when voting) felt that other topics were MORE important. Ultimately, that's what I think K. Pawl will care about. The way Tsm. Lance prepared everything for delivery to him clearly demonstrates the topics' meanings and import.

The last page shows EVERYTHING as it was dumped out of the poll and K. Pawl was told that every person got UP TO 7 votes. He's a mathematician as well as a linguist. He'll figure it out if he cares about that level of detail.


`Eylan Ayfalulukanä

Quote from: Prrton on September 21, 2010, 12:06:31 PM


The last page shows EVERYTHING as it was dumped out of the poll and K. Pawl was told that every person got UP TO 7 votes. He's a mathematician as well as a linguist. He'll figure it out if he cares about that level of detail.


Ah, maybe we will eventually learn how to do calculus in Na`vi  :)

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Quote from: Prrton on September 21, 2010, 12:06:31 PMHe's a mathematician as well as a linguist.

Doesn't surprise me at all... ;)

To sort-of stay on topic, I can't wait to see what you guys and girls bring back from the workshop!


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Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on September 21, 2010, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: Prrton on September 21, 2010, 12:06:31 PM


The last page shows EVERYTHING as it was dumped out of the poll and K. Pawl was told that every person got UP TO 7 votes. He's a mathematician as well as a linguist. He'll figure it out if he cares about that level of detail.


Ah, maybe we will eventually learn how to do calculus in Na`vi  :)

That would shock the ☐☐☐☐ out of me :P :P :P

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Quote from: `Eylan Ayfalulukanä on September 21, 2010, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: Prrton on September 21, 2010, 12:06:31 PM


The last page shows EVERYTHING as it was dumped out of the poll and K. Pawl was told that every person got UP TO 7 votes. He's a mathematician as well as a linguist. He'll figure it out if he cares about that level of detail.


Ah, maybe we will eventually learn how to do calculus in Na`vi  :)

Oh jeez. I'm bad enough at math in English!

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