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non-color words
« on: May 17, 2010, 11:21:43 pm »
I asked Paul if black, white, and dark were safe from his revamping of the color terminology, and he said they were pretty stable, so I think we can safely release them:

layon 'black' - stress on the -yon.
teyr 'white' [any connection with teylu, I wonder?]
vawm 'dark' (and of course tìvawm 'darkness')

Some of you have already seen these, so this is just to verify that they're kosher.

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2010, 12:50:20 am »
Finally, thanks for the varification :)

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2010, 02:08:01 am »
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layon 'black' - stress on the -yon.

Is 'ay' not a diphthong in that word, in that the stress is on 'yon'? If is isn't a diphthong, is there a rule for this sort of 'behavior'?

Pronounced with 'ay' as a diphthong, layon is really close to the English word 'lion'  :)

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2010, 02:13:49 am »
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layon 'black' - stress on the -yon.

Is 'ay' not a diphthong in that word, in that the stress is on 'yon'? If is isn't a diphthong, is there a rule for this sort of 'behavior'?

Pronounced with 'ay' as a diphthong, layon is really close to the English word 'lion'  :)

It doesn't have to be a diphthong, for example, mawey is ma.wey, I don't think there's a rule unfortunately.
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Re: non-color words
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2010, 02:14:36 am »
Not a hard and fast rule, but for root words, it is very rare that they don't syllabify as CVCV where possible, and that includes splitting diphthongs.  There are a few exceptions but as I said it is rare.
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Re: non-color words
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2010, 03:32:46 am »
Yes, it's /la-YON/, not *lay-ON. The orthography is defective, using the same letters 'y' and 'w' for diphthongs and approximants. (And the one we're using is even more defective, using the same letters for /c/ as for /t.s/.)

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2010, 05:20:02 am »
Yay, darkness! Now my signature is accurate! *hugs* Irayo!

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2010, 05:34:17 am »
I've been waiting for dark/darkness for ages now. Irayo!

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2010, 08:23:37 am »
Yes, finally verification of stuff I've been asking about incessantly. ;D Good.

Is 'ay' not a diphthong in that word, in that the stress is on 'yon'? If is isn't a diphthong, is there a rule for this sort of 'behavior'?

Historically, if I'm not mistaken, [aj] is a more streamlined version of the vocalic combination of /a/ and the high vowel, /i/. Before diphthongs were vocalic clusters.
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Re: non-color words
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2010, 05:18:55 pm »
Yay, darkness! Now my signature is accurate! *hugs* Irayo!

Uh, technically not.  Run is not "found" but "find."  Your signature says, "Even in darkness, every color can find."  Since Na'vi doesn't really do passive voice, i think what you want is

Keng mì sìvawm fkol tsun rivun fra'opinit.
"Even in darkness one can find every color."
eo Eywa oe 'ia

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2010, 05:27:37 pm »
Keng mì sìvawm fkol tsun rivun fra'opinit.
"Even in darkness one can find every color."

Almost ;)
with modal verbs the subject doesn’t take the ergative.

… fko tsun rivun fra’opinit.

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2010, 05:35:09 pm »
Irayo, ma Plumps.  Fìkorenit tsweränga' oel nìlkeftang =\
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Re: non-color words
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2010, 05:42:09 pm »
kem soleiyi ;)

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2010, 05:46:08 pm »
This may be stupid: are these nouns or adjectives?

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2010, 10:52:29 pm »
Naw, that's a good question. I have no idea myself.

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2010, 11:26:06 pm »
Naw, that's a good question. I have no idea myself.

Or stative verbs... ? ? ?

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2010, 04:36:12 am »
Sorry, all the color words are adjectives. I thought we had "tìrim" for 'yellow' as a noun somewhere, but I can't find it.

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2010, 08:48:33 am »
Naw, that's a good question. I have no idea myself.

Or stative verbs... ? ? ?
Getting off topic but I thought all Na'vi stative verbs were created using the tì- affix or are there ones that aren't?

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2010, 10:50:49 am »
Getting off topic but I thought all Na'vi stative verbs were created using the tì- affix or are there ones that aren't?

-affixed verbs are not verbs at all, but nouns. A stative verb is a verb that rather than describing an action states something about the properties of one of its arguments. Klingon is full of this, having no true adjectives at all, and in Na'vi we have, for example, sim and lìm.

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Re: non-color words
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2010, 11:09:15 am »
Ah, forgive me, got my linguistic terminology mixed up.

 

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