Omum Shortening Clarification and Additional Version

Started by tsyili, December 21, 2023, 04:28:47 PM

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Fya'ori a nìwin nì'ul plltxe san oe ke omum lu awngar lahea tìftxey set. Kop, tìng Karyu Pawlìl awngaru hek lì'u alu komum pelun a tì'eyngit a eltur tìtxen si.

QuoteI don't see why there can't be two different colloquial shortenings of ke omum: keMUM and koMUM. An English analogy would be what happens to "it is not" in colloquial speech: there are two perfectly acceptable contractions--"it's not" and "it isn't." As far as I can tell, these are totally equivalent, and the choice of one over the other is mainly a manner of personal taste, although there may be underlying reasons I'm not aware of.


As for how koMUM arose, it has to do with the shifting of stress in omum. As you know very well, in isolation, the stress is on MUM, but in inflected forms it's on O. It's possible that at an earlier stage in the language, there was no shift and the stress was always on O. That would give ke O.mum --> KOmum very naturally. Then the stress shifted. So in the current language, koMUM may be partly a holdover from a previous stage of the language.

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Quote from: tsyili on December 21, 2023, 04:28:47 PMFya'ori a nìwin nì'ul plltxe san oe ke omum lu awngar lahea tìftxey set. Kop, tìng Karyu Pawlìl awngaru hek lì'u alu komum pelun a tì'eyngit a eltur tìtxen si.
. . . hek lì'u alu komum pelun a . . .

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Eltur tìtxen si, irayo ma Tsyili!

Ke fpìl oel futa hek lì'u alu komum, kxawm talun plltxe oel tsalì'ut fratrr pxaya alo. Pxìm oe lu komumyu ;D