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Some new words
« on: March 29, 2010, 09:43:36 am »

I'm quite busy at the moment, so I can't write a lot here, but I want to let you know some new words coming from K. Pawl.

We saw fìtxon already in his translation of Why is this night ... . Well there are also some related words:

txon(Adv)tonight
txonam(Adv)last night
txonay(Adv)tomorrow night
trray(Adv)tomorrow
sekrr(N)present


Furthermore I'm happy to tell you about same words, which are for sure essential in the narrative culture of the Na'vi:

vur(N)story
tìpängkxo(N)conversation, discussion
srese'a(N)prophecy
nawmtu(N)great person
txantstew(N)hero
tstew(Adj)brave
fkew(Adj)mighty


And last a special:

nguway(N)howl, viperwolf cry


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Re: Some new words
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2010, 09:48:23 am »
Txantsana fmawn ma 'eylan oeyä! ngaru seiyi irayo.

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Re: Some new words
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2010, 10:00:44 am »
interesting, that <txantstew   (N)   hero> is made without -yu or -tu and out of 2 adjectives

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Re: Some new words
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2010, 10:10:03 am »
yes, this is interesting, as i would have also expected hero to be something like txantstewtu. as for short of nìtxan tsewa tute. but either way, we should accept this word "txantstew" as it is and how it has been given to us by Paul to function. :)

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Re: Some new words
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2010, 10:10:58 am »
txonam (Adv) last night
txonay (Adv) tomorrow night

Srake tsun fko tengfya pivlltxe san

zìsìtam - last year
zìsìtay - next year

sìk?
Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

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Re: Some new words
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2010, 10:16:23 am »
txonam (Adv) last night
txonay (Adv) tomorrow night

Srake tsun fko tengfya pivlltxe san

zìsìtam - last year
zìsìtay - next year

sìk?

tsun fko tsaylì'u sivar a fì'u lam oeru.

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Re: Some new words
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2010, 10:17:41 am »
I thought mighty was fkeu.  When did this change?  I think I need to pay more attention around here, hard to keep up...


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Re: Some new words
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2010, 10:18:27 am »
txonam (Adv) last night
txonay (Adv) tomorrow night

Srake tsun fko tengfya pivlltxe san

zìsìtam - last year
zìsìtay - next year

sìk?

Pelun ke...? :D

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Re: Some new words
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2010, 10:20:29 am »
I thought mighty was fkeu.  When did this change?  I think I need to pay more attention around here, hard to keep up...

Yeah, I think that changed a while back, around the time neu turned into new.

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Re: Some new words
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2010, 10:30:34 am »
I thought mighty was fkeu.  When did this change?  I think I need to pay more attention around here, hard to keep up...

Yeah, I think that changed a while back, around the time neu turned into new.

SG material from an early draft of Frommer's.

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Re: Some new words
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2010, 10:31:27 am »
Note the shift in stress between srese'a and srese'a.

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Re: Some new words
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2010, 10:51:21 am »
I thought mighty was fkeu.  When did this change?  I think I need to pay more attention around here, hard to keep up...

yeah im pretty sure that all words ending in eu have been changed to end in ew. possibly even that eu has completely changed to ew.

Note the shift in stress between srese'a and srese'a.

that IS interesting, but somehow still makes sense to me. nice catch by the way.

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Re: Some new words
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2010, 11:44:29 am »
sekrr (N) present

Nice, thanks for sharing!

sekrr from set + krr ?

Interesting side note ... if nguway is a wiperwolf's cry and way is song/animal sound, what makes that of pongu? ;D
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Re: Some new words
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2010, 11:47:35 am »
sekrr[/td][td](N)[/td][td]present[/td][/tr][/table]

Nice, thanks for sharing!

sekrr from set + krr ?

Interesting side note ... if nguway is a wiperwolf's cry and way is song/animal sound, what makes that of pongu? ;D


Po s/he + ngu pack of wolves = people acting like wolves.

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Re: Some new words
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2010, 09:50:23 pm »
Txantsan!  Irayo, ma Na'rìghawnu.
eo Eywa oe 'ia

Fra'uri tìyawnur oe täpivìng nìwotx...

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Re: Some new words
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2010, 07:15:00 am »
Another interesting shift in stress

From the already existing examples trray and trram I'd expect the stress in txonam and txonay to be on only -am and -ay (if at all ...) but here txon is split appart and becomes part of the 'time suffixes' for past and future -nam and -nay ... very interesting
Or is there a mistake in transcription?

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Re: Some new words
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2010, 07:52:12 am »
From the already existing examples trray and trram I'd expect the stress in txonam and txonay to be on only -am and -ay (if at all ...)

It is completely normal for inflectional endings or word compounding to alter the syllabification of a word.  Frommer has said that, "in general, the tendency with VCV is to syllabify as V.CV rather than VC.V" (Canon), so txonam is expected.
'Awa lì'fya ke tam kawkrr.
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Re: Some new words
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2010, 11:19:44 am »
As I said so often: you learn something new with Na'vi every day :)
pìmlltxe oe pxìm fìtxan san lì'fyari leNa'vi fkol 'ut amip nume fratrr sìk :)

Thanks for clarifying and explaining ;)
oeyktìngìri sì tìlawri oe ngaru seiyi irayo ;)


EDIT: oe lamu skxawng ;)
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Re: Some new words
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2010, 05:41:06 am »
I really like the derivation of pongu...

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Re: Some new words
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2010, 10:11:02 am »
As I said so often: you learn something new with Na'vi every day :)
pìmlltxe oe pxìm fìtxan san lì'fyari leNa'vi fkol 'ut amip nume fratrr sìk :)

Thanks for clarifying and explaining ;)
oeykìri sì tìlawri oe ngaru seiyi irayo ;)


As said so often by me: as for the Na'vi language, one learns about something new every day. :)
Aìpawnlltxe fìtxan pxìm oefa: san lì'fyari leNa'vi fko nume teri 'uo amip fratrr. sìk :)

Thanks for the explanation ;)
Tìoeyktìngìri oe ngaru seiyi irayo. :)

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