The two songs that didn't make it into the ASG

[Kä'eng]

As we know, Frommer translated the lyrics for four Na'vi songs, of which two (the Weaving Song and the Hunting Song) were given in the ASG. I found the other two at http://www.pandorapedia.com/ritual_music; I don't think they've been mentioned anywhere on LN.org yet.

Tree Song (Funeral Song)
We are all seeds Of the Great Tree, Whose strength is in our legs Like the mighty trunks, In our arms As sheltering branches, In our eyes The blue-flower Which unfolds to the sun. We are all seeds Of the Great Tree Whose song is within us.	Utralä (a)Nawm ayrina'l(u) ayoeng, A peyä tìtxur mì hinam awngeyä N(a) aysangek afkeu, Mì pun N(a) ayvul ahusawnu, M(ì) aynar Na seze A 'ong ne tsawke. Utralä (a)Nawm ayrina' l(u) ayoeng, A peyä tìrol m(ì) awnga.
Spiral Song
Music creates patterns In the silence of the mind As weavers do In the physical world.	Pamtseol ngop ayrenut Mì ronsemä tìfnu Tengfya ngop säftxuyul Mì hifkey.
Chorus:
We sing to See We See to sing We sing our way Down the eight paths To the center.	Awnga rol fte kivame Kame fte rivol Rerol tengkr kerä Ìlä fya'o avol Ne kxamtseng.
The songs bind the thirteen spirals Of the solid world To the eight spirit paths Like the threads of aSongcord.	Aywayl yìm kifkeyä 'Ìheyut avomrr Sìn tireafya'o avol Na waytelemä hìng.
Chorus repeated

The latter song has our first attested usage of the adposition sìn. Also, many people have assumed that the definition of waytelem as "songcord" was a mistake and should actually be "songchord"; this gives some evidence to the contrary.

[Muzer]

The first one was in the film! And at the end of Jake's First Flight!

[wm.annis]

Also our first sighting if ìlä.

The third line of the chorus for the Spiral Song has a typo (in the Pandorapedia article): tengkrr, not *tengkr.

This use of tengfya answers some questions, too.

[Ftiafpi]

Wow, great find!

[Tsamsiyu Atsteu]

excellent!

[Ftiafpi]

The first one was in the film! And at the end of Jake's First Flight!

Wait, I don't hear it in Jake's first flight, what section of the lyrics are in there?

Do you mean in the funeral chant? Cause that's where it is (aptly named song).

[Taronyu]

Awesome find. Annis, I expect a new song PDF and a breakdown of new constructions.

[Plumps]

Yes, excellent find – from the first appearance in the film, I was fascinated by the funeral chant and always wondered what it meant

The first one was in the film! And at the end of Jake's First Flight!

Wait, I don't hear it in Jake's first flight, what section of the lyrics are in there?

Do you mean in the funeral chant? Cause that's where it is (aptly named song).

At 3'45 of Jake's First Flight you can here the lines:
   Utralä (a)Nawm
   ayrina' l(u) ayoeng, (2x)
   A peyä tìtxur mì hinam awngeyä (+ nìayoeng)

Also interesting the old spelling of fkew, an early appearance of the participle ‹us› (interesting how it was there all the time, from kerusey onward and we didn't notice it), and a shortened form of nari which I tend to hear in Tsu'tey's line of poru tìng nar(i) when Jake is having his pa'li training.

In the Spiral Song an old one-letter-ergative form after a diphthong (aywayl, now: aywayìl)

[Nyx]

Awesome

[wm.annis]

This is a nice piece of grammar:

  Pamtseol ngop ayrenut / Mì ronsemä tìfnu / Tengfya ngop säftxuyul / Mì hifkey.

Here we have a transitive verb with no overt direct object but the subject is still agentive/ergative.

[Plumps]

Now I know what you meant in your NotW post about the unclarity of transitivity...
So much we still don't understand...

But could have to do with what K. Pawl said to your Coyote story, that the object is presumed and therefor the eragtive is marked?

[Tsamsiyu92]

This is a nice piece of grammar:

  Pamtseol ngop ayrenut / Mì ronsemä tìfnu / Tengfya ngop säftxuyul / Mì hifkey.

Here we have a transitive verb with no overt direct object but the subject is still agentive/ergative.

Doesn't the verb ngop in the last sentence have "ayrenu-t" as an omited direct object, which could have been omited due to being used in the last sentence?

like:
Musicians create patterns, like weavers do (create patterns).

...or am I completely wrong?

[Kä'eng]

I just noticed something else from this: if a short plural is after an ADP+, it does not get lenited a second time, even if it still starts with a lenitable consonant. mì pun (where pun is the plural of pxun) didn't become *mì fun.

[Tsamsiyu92]

I just noticed something else from this: if a short plural is after an ADP+, it does not get lenited a second time, even if it still starts with a lenitable consonant. mì pun (where pun is the plural of pxun) didn't become *mì fun.

Frommer has also stated (i think) that plurals after ADP+ have to be marked with ay+, but it remains at the first lentition.

[Plumps]

Frommer has also stated (i think) that plurals after ADP+ have to be marked with ay+, but it remains at the first lentition.

You don't have to. He said in his blog-post on ambiguity:

...the context will often make the meaning clear.

and

If there is the potential for misunderstanding and the plural is intended, the full plural form is used. The lenited form without ay- is interpreted by default as singular.

The point here being if and potential for misunderstanding

[Kì'eyawn]

(Sorry i'm a little late; been out of town)

This is a great find!  I'm (only very mildly) peeved that i was working on a piece i was calling "Spiral Song," which i suppose i'll have to re-name...  But seriously, this is all great stuff =)

[roger]

"in our arms/eyes/etc" is plural. I'd expect dual.

[Plumps]

"in our arms/eyes/etc" is plural. I'd expect dual.

If you expect the song being sung by the whole tribe there's definitely more than just two of the pairs

[Ftiafpi]

"in our arms/eyes/etc" is plural. I'd expect dual.

If you expect the song being sung by the whole tribe there's definitely more than just two of the pairs

Huh, that's an interesting point.

[Sezetirea216]

Does anyone know what their saying in "scorched earth"?