Transitivity clarification of all remaining "v." verbs

Started by tsyili, December 28, 2021, 09:05:41 PM

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tsyili

Ingyentsim faylì'u ke lu nulkrr. :)
Vaykrr tìpe'un a lì'uteri alu rol za'u, lu fnelì'u alu vin. lì'u alu rol.

Quote from: Karyu Pawl'ong - vin.
fkarut - vtr.
kämakto - vin.
mun'i - vtr.
rol - vin. *
tireapängkxo - vin.
virä - vin.
latsi - vin.
pate - vin.
salew - vin.
spä - vin.
tsä' - vin.
tuvon - vin.

Still thinking about rol . . .

Tirea Aean

Kosman!

Fwew dictionary is up to date, and the "Taronyu" PDF is compiled and will be uploaded to the website soon.

Vawmataw

Thank you very much for sharing! I asked the same question a while ago, and I'm glad it's solved!
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Plumps

Yeah, me too – years ago  ;D

Thank you so much for this valuable information. Will implement that in dict-navi and the AD sre fwa sngap zize'

Wllìm

Txantsana fmawn!

I'm actually quite surprised by latsi being intransitive. How do you indicate the person you keep up with? Dative? Topical? With hu?

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Tirea Aean

Quote from: Wllìm on December 29, 2021, 03:38:59 AM
Txantsana fmawn!

I'm actually quite surprised by latsi being intransitive. How do you indicate the person you keep up with? Dative? Topical? With hu?

Good question. I guess it's time for a follow up question :)

Vawmataw

Quote from: Tirea Aean on December 29, 2021, 03:50:02 PM
Quote from: Wllìm on December 29, 2021, 03:38:59 AM
Txantsana fmawn!

I'm actually quite surprised by latsi being intransitive. How do you indicate the person you keep up with? Dative? Topical? With hu?

Good question. I guess it's time for a follow up question :)
Another email :o ;D

I'm betting on hu, as the topic should use the topical.

Fìtxeleri rutxe livatxu oehu - Please keep up with me about this subject.
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Plumps

Any word on nong and kenong?
Those are the words that are still open in my book ...

Vawmataw

#10
nong is transitive because of Flight of Passage. At the beginning, you can hear "alaksi srak? nong oet!".

I haven't found anything about kenong. Maybe Tirea could help us with this one?

But honestly this could be an argument in favor of adding more than one source to a word. Having the attested origin of the word is primordial, but so is the email or the post that tells the previously unknown transitivity of a verb.
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Wllìm

Regarding nong, besides the Flight of Passage mention, I attached below the reasoning I wrote earlier on why I think it should be transitive.

For kenong, I'm just confused. The verb was changed from v. to vin. in Eana Eltu between November 2014 (v. 13.202) and February 2015 (v. 13.211) but the changelog doesn't seem to contain anything relevant.
I found a Discord discussion from 2020 where we had the same question, and were just confused, but at the time we didn't move the verb from vin. to unknown transitivity in Eana Eltu / Reykunyu. I guess we should do that now.

Quote from: Vawmataw on January 02, 2022, 01:10:31 PMBut honestly this could be an argument in favor of adding more than one source to a word. Having the attested origin of the word is primordial, but so is the email or the post that tells the previously unknown transitivity of a verb.
This is a work-in-progress feature in Reykunyu at least :)

Plumps

Quote from: Vawmataw on January 02, 2022, 01:10:31 PMBut honestly this could be an argument in favor of adding more than one source to a word. Having the attested origin of the word is primordial, but so is the email or the post that tells the previously unknown transitivity of a verb.

Quote from: Wllìm on January 02, 2022, 02:59:57 PM
Quote from: Vawmataw on January 02, 2022, 01:10:31 PMBut honestly this could be an argument in favor of adding more than one source to a word. Having the attested origin of the word is primordial, but so is the email or the post that tells the previously unknown transitivity of a verb.
This is a work-in-progress feature in Reykunyu at least :)

That's how I intend to treat sourcing in dict-navi. The earliest entry of (at least 500 of them) a word might be ASG, but confirmation about usage, change in definition and transitivity, I've treated it as a new source.

Quote from: Vawmataw on January 02, 2022, 01:10:31 PM
nong is transitive because of Flight of Passage. At the beginning, you can hear "alaksi srak? nong oet!".

Interesting. I think at some point I knew that but since we don't have the script transcribed somewhere 'official' (do we?), I didn't want to include it ...

Wllìm

#13
Quote from: Plumps on January 02, 2022, 04:04:14 PM
Interesting. I think at some point I knew that but since we don't have the script transcribed somewhere 'official' (do we?), I didn't want to include it ...
You are right, as far as I know, we don't have the official script. I think the "oet" is relatively clear, but I guess it could also be "oer"...