Mipa 'Upxare leMokri Frapofpi ta K. Pawl mì Srr 'Rrtayä

[Prrton]

Ke law lu oer 'awa tseng 'upxaremì:

pelun Pawl poltxe san ye'rìn 'ìyi'a sänume sìk? Pelun kea san sänumet?

Taluna tsakemlì'u a lu «'i'a» ke lu lì'u a kem si nìkan. Tsasänume a K. Pawl set seri 'ayi'a nìawtu. K. Pawlìl ke sänumet 'eykayi'a.

[wm.annis]

pelun Pawl poltxe san ye'rìn 'ìyi'a sänume sìk? Pelun kea san sänumet?

'i'a is intransitive: oeyä tìrey vay set ke 'i'a but oel vurit 'eyki'a set.

[Kemaweyan]

Tslolam. Oel fpalmìl futa tsatseng tsun livu lì'u a san oe (oe) ye'rìn 'ìyi'a sänume Irayo

Oe skxawng lu



Oeru txoa livu. Txo aynga new, tsun sivung tìralpengit leRuski 'awvea 'upxaremì:

Spoiler: nìRuski

Мои друзья,

В этот важный день - День Земли - хочу я сказать вам "спасибо" и дать вам слово, которое по моему мнению является самым красивым словом в языке На'ви: meoauniaea. Значение этого слова - гармония и жизнь единым целым с Великой Матерью. Что-то, что для баланса жизни очень важно всем на Пандоре и на Земле.

Прошу прощения, как известно, к сожалению не было у меня в недавние дни достаточной возможности, чтоб заниматься нашим языком. Но есть у меня хорошая новость: скоро закончится обучение, за которое я отвечаю; после этого будет у меня больше времени, чтоб создавать слова и уроки такого типа, которые могут всем помочь учить и запоминать оптимально. Благодарю вас за ваше терпение до того времени.

И сегодняшний праздник, надеюсь, будет для вас радостный. Увидимся и Эйва с вами.

от Пола

[KalaKuival]

Tewti! Trray oe zene nivume aylì'uti a ayoer tawnìng. Txana irayo, ma karyu! Fìtrr swey Trr 'Rrtä lameiu!

[Ftiafpi]

Simply amazing. I love Frommer's dedication to this language.

Anyway, back to watching Avatar

[okrìsti]

[...]Oeru txoa livu. Txo aynga new, tsun sivung tìralpengit leRuski 'awvea 'upxaremì:

*Spoiler nìRuski

Nerume lì'fya leRuski Kemaweyanhu =)

ayoeng set eromum ral lì'uä san 'awlie sìk, talun fko syaw fìlì'uvi san -lo sìk a multiplicative numeral suffix srak?

[Swoka Swizaw]

If it is what I think it is, then we COULD render the word "vitra" as a c.w. of "vi-" and a contraction of tirea. All together, a soul is a small piece of [overall] spirit.

"Vitraya" was one of Cameron's words. But this would be a great post-hoc etymology. I've suggested it to Paul.

Thanks. That would be freakin' fantastic!

[Kemaweyan]

Nerume lì'fya leRuski Kemaweyanhu =)

Oel nìftue fpalmìl futa tsun fko sivung sìralpengit aylì'fyayä alahe na fìtsenge

[Prrton]

ayoeng set eromum ral lì'uä san 'awlie sìk, talun fko syaw fìlì'uvi san -lo sìk a multiplicative numeral suffix srak?[/size][/font]

For now we can "officially" use «-lo» productively for twice, thrice, four times, etc. but there will likely be some kind of contrast with whatever is at the hart of «'awlie» at some point, so for now it means "once in the past" and it's not particularly SAFE to extrapolate what *melie might mean.

   

[NeotrekkerZ]

pxiswaway; in just a second from now; ADV; BW

Is it me or would this make a great stock phrase for "Just a second!/Hold on!"?

It would work very well for that if the implied part is "I'm going to turn away now unavoidably, but I'll be right back with you"... [pxiswaway]

So more than, "Hold on" (briefly), It's "Just a second (from now I'll be back with you)". And, to me, it sounds like the person who is asking that the other wait won't be going anywhere. They just don't have full attention to provide. If the speaker were to intend to leave briefly and come back, I'd guess they'd say «Pivey hìkrr. Tätxaw (oe) pxiye'rìn.»

«Hìkrr» by itself might work very well for what you're suggesting too, but it sounds LONGER to me than «pxiswaw».

Yeah, that covers about every possible basis of what I was thinking.  Irayo!

[Nìwotxkrr Tìyawn]

Huzaaa for Karyu Paul! I'm definitely looking foreword to the increase in the lexicon, just hope I can keep up.

[Kì'eyawn]

So...  what's the difference between vey and tsngan?

[okrìsti]

So...  what's the difference between vey and tsngan?

I've understand it as more abstract. Maybe vey is from tsngan like tsyosyu from tsyo? Pizza/Pasta and Gulyás? (kxawm oe 'erefu ohakx nìhawng :p) txon lefpom

[Prrton]

So...  what's the difference between vey and tsngan?

I've understand it as more abstract. Maybe vey is from tsngan like tsyosyu from tsyo? Pizza/Pasta and Gulyás? (kxawm oe 'erefu ohakx nìhawng :p) txon lefpom

I'm not sure that this is CORRECT or even if there IS a "correct" for this, but this is how I personally think of it.

Syuve (stuff that's edible)

   VEY (the category of food for animal protein(? not sure about the chemistry, but whatever...))
      - tsngan leyerik
      - tsngan le______?

   FKXEN (the category of food coming from vegetable matter)
      - *sälat lerìk
      - *sälat leprrwll (NB: Other than reindeer, not a lot of 'Rrtan creatures eat moss.)

   TSYOSYU (the category of food coming from the 'flour' plant (It's not exactly like our wheat/grains))
      - *pitza le_____

I suspect that there might be another broad "food group" for liquid/gelatinous foods that might include teylu. That will be really handy for us to talk about aspic ro Rrrta.

   

[Plumps]

I suspect that there might be another broad "food group" for liquid/gelatinous foods that might include teylu. That will be really handy for us to talk about aspic ro Rrrta.

I'm still waiting for the fruit group ... Jake is eating something like a melon or papaya ... I think that's what's missing from the food categories.

[Skxawng]

woot more words! I was wondering when we'd be getting new stuff

txantsan!

[Prrton]

I suspect that there might be another broad "food group" for liquid/gelatinous foods that might include teylu. That will be really handy for us to talk about aspic ro Rrrta.

I'm still waiting for the fruit group ... Jake is eating something like a melon or papaya ... I think that's what's missing from the food categories.

I wouldn't be surpised if that thing didn't fall under FKXEN. Consider the lowly tomato. Technically a fruit on 'Rrta, but most think of it as a vegetable!!

[Plumps]

tse ... yeah

But I'm more thinking of a fruit salad or an apple pie and so forth ... I don't know about you, but I don't want to have tomatos in my fruit salad

Your pizza example is acutally quite interesting because I would only count the pizza base as tsyosyu and all the topings would be from the other categories ... or there is something like a mixed category

[`Eylan Ayfalulukanä]

So...  what's the difference between vey and tsngan?

I've understand it as more abstract. Maybe vey is from tsngan like tsyosyu from tsyo? Pizza/Pasta and Gulyás? (kxawm oe 'erefu ohakx nìhawng :p) txon lefpom

I stumbled by chance on tsngan last night, and was not previously aware of a word for 'meat'. As used today, 'meat' means specifically 'animal flesh'. However, we have other foods of animal origin, besides meat, such as eggs and milk. Interestingly, English (at least, maybe other languages do) does not have a specific term (even in scientific circles) for 'food of animal origin'. Thus, I would reverse what you said, and say tsngan is from vey like tsyosyu from tsyo.

Interestingly, 'meat' didn't always mean what it means today. At the time of the King James Bible (1611), 'meat' meant 'food', and 'flesh' meant 'meat'. To mean you were eating dinner, you would say 'at meat'.

On a tangent but related topic, most cultures have taboos about meat-eating. Here in the US for instance, horsemeat is generally taboo. However, may other cultures readily eat horsemeat. We consume a lot of beef here, but cows are sacred in some parts of India. I wonder if there are taboos in Na`vi society like that? For a possible instance, an ikran that is not bonded to someone would be fair game, but one that is bonded would be like a pet or companion. Or the case could be, since some ikran are bonded to Na`vi people, ikran is off-limits as a food source. In a broader sense, most societies have things that are 'taboo' in areas besides food. In any case, this will make me check into the existence (or proposed existence) of a word for 'taboo'.

[Swoka Swizaw]

Stages:

Ta'leng = skin. (This is if we want to stick to the literal meaning of "flesh" of animal origin.) ---> Vey = raw meat. (The stuff that I presume Neytiri gave Seze.) ---> Tsngan = "cooked" meat. (Sìlpey oel futa 'em ayngeyä veyit Na'vi. )