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Txantsana pxesìsung, kefyak?
« on: March 01, 2010, 06:22:55 pm »

Just a dribble, but...

Quote from: Paul Frommer
Tewti, ma Prrton! Txantsana tìkangkem, txantsana aysäfpìl.

[As you can guess, säfpìl = idea, thought -- sä.FPÌL]

Lu awngar aytele apxay a teri sa'u pivlltxe...

« Teri » does not cause lenition. "Sa'u" is a short plural (short for aysa'u, of course): Literally: We have many matters that (we) may speak about THEM (or: THOSE THINGS)--i.e., we have a lot to talk about.

For the equivalent of "isn't that true?" "¿verdad?" "n'est-ce pas?" etc. let's go with "kefya [ke.FYA] srak?" or, as an equivalent shorter form, "kefyak?" (Derived, as we discussed, from "ke fìfya srak?")


  - säfpìl = idea

  - ..., kefya srak? or just ..., kefyak? = ..., isn't it? ..., right?

  - sa'u (short plural) = those things

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Re: Txantsana pxesìsung, kefyak?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2010, 06:41:04 pm »
Txantsana fmawn, irayo ;)
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Re: Txantsana pxesìsung, kefyak?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2010, 07:47:12 pm »
Every little bit helps.  :D
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Re: Txantsana pxesìsung, kefyak?
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2010, 03:10:50 am »
Quote from: Paul Frommer
"Sa'u" is a short plural (short for aysa'u, of course): Literally: We have many matters that (we) may speak about THEM (or: THOSE THINGS)--i.e., we have a lot to talk about.

So there are now no less than three ways to render "those"?

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tsayhem
(ay)sakem

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Re: Txantsana pxesìsung, kefyak?
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2010, 03:24:56 am »
Are all three attested on the same root? I wonder if the difference is that ca- is considered a prefix on -kem, but not in the case of ca'u. Might correspond w stress: in cakem, it is kem that is stressed and takes the plural; in ca'u, it is ca- that is stressed and takes the plural.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2010, 03:27:16 am by roger »

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Re: Txantsana pxesìsung, kefyak?
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2010, 03:37:49 am »
Are all three attested on the same root? I wonder if the difference is that ca- is considered a prefix on -kem, but not in the case of ca'u. Might correspond w stress: in cakem, it is kem that is stressed and takes the plural; in ca'u, it is ca- that is stressed and takes the plural.

No, they're not. Where has the stress for tsa'u been given? At least in fì'u, Frommer stresses the ultima.

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Re: Txantsana pxesìsung, kefyak?
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 04:12:01 am »
Txantsana fmawn !
 :D
thanks for sharing

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Re: Txantsana pxesìsung, kefyak?
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2010, 04:31:23 am »
Are all three attested on the same root? I wonder if the difference is that ca- is considered a prefix on -kem, but not in the case of ca'u. Might correspond w stress: in cakem, it is kem that is stressed and takes the plural; in ca'u, it is ca- that is stressed and takes the plural.
No, they're not. Where has the stress for tsa'u been given? At least in , Frommer stresses the ultima.

I'm just speculating.

Where do we have the stress of fì'u attested, other than it contracting to fu-?

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Re: Txantsana pxesìsung, kefyak?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2010, 06:04:41 am »
Where do we have the stress of fì'u attested, other than it contracting to fu-?
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Re: Txantsana pxesìsung, kefyak?
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2010, 05:03:52 pm »
thanks!

 

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