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Why is this night...
« on: March 21, 2010, 09:03:08 pm »
Frommer did a translation of the traditional Seder questions: Fìtxon na ton alahe nìwotx pelun ke lu teng?

There's a little vocab we can extract from this.  There is also audio!
« Last Edit: March 21, 2010, 09:05:38 pm by wm.annis »
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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2010, 09:24:18 pm »
Fancy!

Words I picked up and contextually guessed meanings (Ignoring loan words for the moment):

fkxen - n. Vegetable (food)
syä'ä - adj. Bitter
yemfpay si - v. Dip into liquid
yemfpay - n. Dipping, immersion (Into a liquid)
keng - adv. Even (Ex. Didn't even try)
'awlo - adv. Once
melo - adv. Twice
*-lo - Multplicative number suffix (Once, twice, thrice, etc)
heyn - v. Sit
pxim - adv. Erectly, uprightly
pxim - adj. Erect, upright
tuvon - v. Lean
fya'o - adv. In a manner
letrrtrr - adj. Ordinary
'eoio - adv. Ceremoniously
'eoio - adj. Cerimonious
rìk - n. Leaf
lerìk - adj. Leafy

Edit: Fixed and verified correct now, hu irayo Pawlur.
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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2010, 09:55:55 pm »
'awlo - adv. Once
melo - adv. Twice
In http://forum.learnnavi.org/language-updates/minor-updates-anticipated-confirmations/ it was said that "once" was 'awlie... ma Roger, tsun nga sleykivu law fìtxelet srak? :)
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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2010, 10:04:49 pm »
I'll also add to the vocab list:

lerìk leafy
*rìk leaf
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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2010, 10:14:55 pm »
Oh right, I missed that one.

'awlo - adv. Once
melo - adv. Twice
In http://forum.learnnavi.org/language-updates/minor-updates-anticipated-confirmations/ it was said that "once" was 'awlie... ma Roger, tsun nga sleykivu law fìtxelet srak? :)
That is certainly a head scratcher.  They bot are l(vowels) but lie vs lo...  Perhaps a subtle difference in meaning, or they -lo is adjective forms?  Though the usage there seems fairly adverbial...
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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2010, 10:20:35 pm »
Wow. How diverse a collection of words. Frommer does not disappoint, or fail to not surprise with what he has next. And, Taronyu isn't here yet...don't I feel ahead of the game. :P

BTW, I like Hebrew as much as the next tute, but "hamets," "matsa?" I chuckled.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2010, 10:27:01 pm by Swoka Swizaw »

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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2010, 10:42:41 pm »
letrrtrr

So, this would be an example of, erm, reduplication?  Is that what it's called?

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nì'eoio - adv. Ceremoniously
*'eoio - n. Ceremony

Ma tsmukan, it says at the bottom of the page that eoio is "ceremonious" (adj.)
« Last Edit: March 21, 2010, 10:49:49 pm by tigermind »
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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2010, 11:13:54 pm »
At the bottom of what page?
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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2010, 11:16:11 pm »
He means at the bottom of the Na'vi section I think.
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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2010, 11:25:27 pm »
That.... was not there when I viewed it first.  Handy!  I reloaded and they magically appeared!
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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2010, 12:07:29 am »
He means at the bottom of the Na'vi section I think.

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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2010, 01:35:23 am »
'awlo - adv. Once
melo - adv. Twice
In http://forum.learnnavi.org/language-updates/minor-updates-anticipated-confirmations/ it was said that "once" was 'awlie... ma Roger, tsun nga sleykivu law fìtxelet srak? :)

All I know is the gloss: 'awlie = "once". We don't have an example in context. English "once" has various uses.

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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2010, 01:36:15 am »
syä'ä - adj. Bitter
yemfpay si - v. Dip into liquid (yemfpay - n. ?)
'awlo - adv. Once
melo - adv. Twice
...

Where are you getting the stress from?

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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2010, 01:43:35 am »
I just noticed 'awlie isn't in Taronyu's dictionary.
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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2010, 01:44:15 am »
All I know is the gloss: 'awlie = "once". We don't have an example in context. English "once" has various uses.
Besides other languages form multiplicative numerals differently for adverbial and adjective usage.
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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2010, 02:07:18 am »
All I know is the gloss: 'awlie = "once". We don't have an example in context. English "once" has various uses.
Besides other languages form multiplicative numerals differently for adverbial and adjective usage.

But both are adverbial: 'awlie glossed ADV, and 'awlo used that way.

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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2010, 02:09:51 am »
syä'ä - adj. Bitter
yemfpay si - v. Dip into liquid (yemfpay - n. ?)
'awlo - adv. Once
melo - adv. Twice
...

Where are you getting the stress from?
Oeyä memikyun.

The only one of those I'm not sure of is yemfpay, because the first time he says it, it's a little ambiguous, but the second time it's pretty clearly stressed second syllable.
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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2010, 07:05:19 am »
yemfpay is indeed very odd - could that be "a plunge" ? "the dipping" - very unusual to have a verb-noun compound to create the verb with a si-construction

Could the f be the same from tafkip / fkip ?


'eoio - adv. Ceremoniously
'eoio - adj. Cerimonious

Did you notice that the apostrophe is not there in the explanations? Is this an error in the transcription?
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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2010, 09:51:43 am »
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letrrtrr
So, this would be an example of, erm, reduplication?

Wow! Maybe this is the solution of my daily-(täglich)-vs.-daily-(alltäglich)-problem. So maybe, "letrr" is more about time (day by day), while "letrrtrr" is more about routine.

Besides that, we got some new words ... I'd better go and put them into the wiki-vocabulary.

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Re: Why is this night...
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2010, 11:34:01 am »
letrrtrr

So, this would be an example of, erm, reduplication?

It would, indeed.
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