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wm.annis

Frommer did a translation of the traditional Seder questions: Fìtxon na ton alahe nìwotx pelun ke lu teng?

There's a little vocab we can extract from this.  There is also audio!

omängum fra'uti

#1
Fancy!

Words I picked up and contextually guessed meanings (Ignoring loan words for the moment):

fkxen - n. Vegetable (food)
syä'ä - adj. Bitter
yemfpay si - v. Dip into liquid
yemfpay - n. Dipping, immersion (Into a liquid)
keng - adv. Even (Ex. Didn't even try)
'awlo - adv. Once
melo - adv. Twice
*-lo - Multplicative number suffix (Once, twice, thrice, etc)
heyn - v. Sit
pxim - adv. Erectly, uprightly
pxim - adj. Erect, upright
tuvon - v. Lean
fya'o - adv. In a manner
letrrtrr - adj. Ordinary
'eoio - adv. Ceremoniously
'eoio - adj. Cerimonious
rìk - n. Leaf
lerìk - adj. Leafy

Edit: Fixed and verified correct now, hu irayo Pawlur.
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Kä'eng

Quote from: omängum fra'uti on March 21, 2010, 09:24:18 PM
'awlo - adv. Once
melo - adv. Twice
In http://forum.learnnavi.org/language-updates/minor-updates-anticipated-confirmations/ it was said that "once" was 'awlie... ma Roger, tsun nga sleykivu law fìtxelet srak? :)
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NeotrekkerZ

I'll also add to the vocab list:

lerìk leafy
*rìk leaf
Rìk oe lu hufwemì, nìn fya'ot a oe tswayon!

omängum fra'uti

#4
Oh right, I missed that one.

Quote from: Kä'eng on March 21, 2010, 09:55:55 PM
Quote from: omängum fra'uti on March 21, 2010, 09:24:18 PM
'awlo - adv. Once
melo - adv. Twice
In http://forum.learnnavi.org/language-updates/minor-updates-anticipated-confirmations/ it was said that "once" was 'awlie... ma Roger, tsun nga sleykivu law fìtxelet srak? :)
That is certainly a head scratcher.  They bot are l(vowels) but lie vs lo...  Perhaps a subtle difference in meaning, or they -lo is adjective forms?  Though the usage there seems fairly adverbial...
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#5
Wow. How diverse a collection of words. Frommer does not disappoint, or fail to not surprise with what he has next. And, Taronyu isn't here yet...don't I feel ahead of the game. :P

BTW, I like Hebrew as much as the next tute, but "hamets," "matsa?" I chuckled.

Kì'eyawn

#6
letrrtrr

So, this would be an example of, erm, reduplication?  Is that what it's called?

Edit:

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nì'eoio - adv. Ceremoniously
*'eoio - n. Ceremony

Ma tsmukan, it says at the bottom of the page that eoio is "ceremonious" (adj.)
eo Eywa oe 'ia

Fra'uri tìyawnur oe täpivìng nìwotx...

omängum fra'uti

At the bottom of what page?
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Nìwotxkrr Tìyawn

He means at the bottom of the Na'vi section I think.
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omängum fra'uti

That.... was not there when I viewed it first.  Handy!  I reloaded and they magically appeared!
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Kì'eyawn

Quote from: Nìwotxkrr Tìyawn on March 21, 2010, 11:16:11 PM
He means at the bottom of the Na'vi section I think.

Fi'u oeru ke tsranten nìtxan, slä tute oe lu =P
eo Eywa oe 'ia

Fra'uri tìyawnur oe täpivìng nìwotx...

roger

Quote from: Kä'eng on March 21, 2010, 09:55:55 PM
Quote from: omängum fra'uti on March 21, 2010, 09:24:18 PM
'awlo - adv. Once
melo - adv. Twice
In http://forum.learnnavi.org/language-updates/minor-updates-anticipated-confirmations/ it was said that "once" was 'awlie... ma Roger, tsun nga sleykivu law fìtxelet srak? :)

All I know is the gloss: 'awlie = "once". We don't have an example in context. English "once" has various uses.

roger

Quote from: omängum fra'uti on March 21, 2010, 09:24:18 PM
syä'ä - adj. Bitter
yemfpay si - v. Dip into liquid (yemfpay - n. ?)
'awlo - adv. Once
melo - adv. Twice
...

Where are you getting the stress from?

NeotrekkerZ

I just noticed 'awlie isn't in Taronyu's dictionary.
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okrìsti

Quote from: roger on March 22, 2010, 01:35:23 AMAll I know is the gloss: 'awlie = "once". We don't have an example in context. English "once" has various uses.
Besides other languages form multiplicative numerals differently for adverbial and adjective usage.
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roger

Quote from: okrìsti on March 22, 2010, 01:44:15 AM
Quote from: roger on March 22, 2010, 01:35:23 AMAll I know is the gloss: 'awlie = "once". We don't have an example in context. English "once" has various uses.
Besides other languages form multiplicative numerals differently for adverbial and adjective usage.

But both are adverbial: 'awlie glossed ADV, and 'awlo used that way.

omängum fra'uti

Quote from: roger on March 22, 2010, 01:36:15 AM
Quote from: omängum fra'uti on March 21, 2010, 09:24:18 PM
syä'ä - adj. Bitter
yemfpay si - v. Dip into liquid (yemfpay - n. ?)
'awlo - adv. Once
melo - adv. Twice
...

Where are you getting the stress from?
Oeyä memikyun.

The only one of those I'm not sure of is yemfpay, because the first time he says it, it's a little ambiguous, but the second time it's pretty clearly stressed second syllable.
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Plumps

#17
yemfpay is indeed very odd - could that be "a plunge" ? "the dipping" - very unusual to have a verb-noun compound to create the verb with a si-construction

Could the f be the same from tafkip / fkip ?


Quote from: omängum fra'uti on March 21, 2010, 09:24:18 PM'eoio - adv. Ceremoniously
'eoio - adj. Cerimonious

Did you notice that the apostrophe is not there in the explanations? Is this an error in the transcription?

Na'rìghawnu

#18
Quoteletrrtrr
So, this would be an example of, erm, reduplication?

Wow! Maybe this is the solution of my daily-(täglich)-vs.-daily-(alltäglich)-problem. So maybe, "letrr" is more about time (day by day), while "letrrtrr" is more about routine.

Besides that, we got some new words ... I'd better go and put them into the wiki-vocabulary.


wm.annis

Quote from: tigermind on March 21, 2010, 10:42:41 PM
letrrtrr

So, this would be an example of, erm, reduplication?

It would, indeed.