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Plumps

Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on February 14, 2013, 06:22:18 PMFirst, the report about a here have been resolved, but not this one about au. (No rush, it is just to update) Thanks.

I have a new report: Did you know that the entry sport is not on dict-navi?

Thanks for the reminder.
It is now ;)

Vawmataw

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Quote from: Plumps on February 14, 2013, 06:36:41 PM
Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on February 14, 2013, 06:22:18 PMFirst, the report about a here have been resolved, but not this one about au. (No rush, it is just to update) Thanks.

I have a new report: Did you know that the entry sport is not on dict-navi?

Thanks for the reminder.
It is now ;)

TEWTI! Thanks. :)
I wasn't dreaming that this word was existing!

Also, sìtìkenong should be sìkenong. ;)
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Tìtstewan

Kaltxì

If is possible to add prrkxentrrkrr to Dict-Na'vi.com?
Quote from: from dictionaryprrkxentrrkrr: [pr".k'En.tr".kr"] Skxawng n. day timesmoking pleasure, vibrating tongue (Na'vi idiom) (c.w. from prrte' pleasurable, kxener smoke, trr day and krr time)

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Palulukan Maktoyu

can't find "tsal" appears it's not in there

tsal: [>tsal] PF pn. that, it (transitive subject)
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Vawmataw

You're right.

May I learn about the transitive subject, please? It's very interesting. :)
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Palulukan Maktoyu

Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on March 01, 2013, 07:05:26 PM
You're right.

May I learn about the transitive subject, please? It's very interesting. :)
was talking with someone about the "that"'s an issue couldn't find tsal on dict-navigation so checked dictionary and found it
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Vawmataw

Quote from: Palulukan Maktoyu Ta'lengean on March 01, 2013, 07:24:47 PM
Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on March 01, 2013, 07:05:26 PM
You're right.

May I learn about the transitive subject, please? It's very interesting. :)
was talking with someone about the "that"'s an issue couldn't find tsal on dict-navigation so checked dictionary and found it
Yes, and I said you're right. ;)

I also asked you if I could learn about transitive subject, please. :)
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Tìtstewan

Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on March 01, 2013, 07:27:03 PM
I also asked you if I could learn about transitive subject, please. :)
Maybe I'm blind, but I've never read anything about transitive subject. ...or I misunderstand something? :-\

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Vawmataw

Quote from: Tìtstewan on March 01, 2013, 07:39:13 PM
Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on March 01, 2013, 07:27:03 PM
I also asked you if I could learn about transitive subject, please. :)
Maybe I'm blind, but I've never read anything about transitive subject. ...or I misunderstand something? :-\
It's strange, but I really talk about the transitive subject.
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Palulukan Maktoyu

Still learning myself tbh but I don't think this thread is the place for it. This thread is for reporting mainly I thought
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Tìtstewan

Ok I found it in the German dictionary:
Quote from: Germantsal: [>tsal] PF pn. das, es (transitives Subjekt)
tsat: [>tsat^] PF pn. das, es (als Objekt)
tsaw: [>tsaw] PF dem., pn. es, das (als intransitives Subjekt)
Quote from: Englishtsal: [>tsal] PF pn. that, it (transitive subject)
tsat: [>tsat^] PF pn. that, it (as object)
tsaw: [>tsaw] PF dem., pn. that, it (as intransitive subject)
Ok, I think here is means to use f.e. tsal for transitive sentences.

In Dict-Na'vi is written:
Quote from: Dict-Na'vitsaw [͡tsaw] pn. that, it (schort form of: tsa'u)
tsat [͡tsat]dem. that, it (as direct object)
tsa'u [͡tsa.ˈʔu]dem. that (thing), it
It's confusing! :o

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Blue Elf

It's simple: tsal/tsat/tsaw are forms for inanimate third person pronoun (it in English). Those are derived from tsa'u (that thing):
tsaw - nominative, subject of intransitive verb
tsal - ergative, subject of transitive verb
tsat - acusative, direct object of transitive verb
tsar/tsaru - dative, indirect object
tsari - topical
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Palulukan Maktoyu

Quote from: Blue Elf on March 02, 2013, 01:44:54 PM
It's simple: tsal/tsat/tsaw are forms for inanimate third person pronoun (it in English). Those are derived from tsa'u (that thing):
tsaw - nominative, subject of intransitive verb
tsal - ergative, subject of transitive verb
tsat - acusative, direct object of transitive verb
tsar/tsaru - dative, indirect object
tsari - topical

In the words of Neytiri Te Tskaha Mo'atite "Linguistickies"
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Vawmataw

I didn't find the logic 'til Prrton explaned me.

We can also add a non-Frommer example to dict-navi: Tsal leykatem peyä tìpe'unit. It makes change his decision.

Tsal is still not on dict-navi.
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Tirea Aean

Quote from: Palulukan Maktoyu Ta'lengean on March 02, 2013, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: Blue Elf on March 02, 2013, 01:44:54 PM
It's simple: tsal/tsat/tsaw are forms for inanimate third person pronoun (it in English). Those are derived from tsa'u (that thing):
tsaw - nominative, subject of intransitive verb
tsal - ergative, subject of transitive verb
tsat - acusative, direct object of transitive verb
tsar/tsaru - dative, indirect object
tsari - topical

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For those who don't get the inside joke. ;D

Quote from: Kameyu a Kepekmì on March 02, 2013, 01:52:23 PM
I didn't find the logic 'til Prrton explaned me.

We can also add a non-Frommer example to dict-navi: Tsal leykatem peyä tìpe'unit. It makes change his decision.

Tsal is still not on dict-navi.

If tsat is on there, IMO, tsal should be too.

You can think of leykatem as the transitive verb to change(you can leykatem something), and latem as just the intransitive change(you cannot latem something. Something latem.).

Plumps

Quote from: Tirea Aean on March 02, 2013, 01:57:52 PM
If tsat is on there, IMO, tsal should be too.

Here's the thing... if we strive for "authorative" (which I know, dict-navi is not ìlä sì'efumì suteoä ... xcuse the sarcasm) ... I actually haven't found an official example of tsal  :-\ :-\ :-\
Would be great if you could all help searching ;)

Tìtstewan

I'm not sure if it fit here well:
Quote from: horen lena'vi3.4.2. Fì'u and Tsaw in Clause Nominalization. The demonstrative pronoun fì'u and inanimate
pronoun tsaw are used with the attributive particle a to nominalize clauses (§6.18.4). When
the attributive particle follows certain case forms of the pronoun, they contract:
CaseFì'u ContractionTsaw Contraction
Subjectivefwa (< fì'u a)tsawa
Agentivefula (< fì'ul a)tsala
Patientivefuta (< fì'ut a)tsata
Topicalfuria (< fì'uri a)tsaria
In Hore tsala is red marked. That's mean is not official, just for note...


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Tìtstewan

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Quote from: Plumps on March 02, 2013, 02:21:32 PM
Quote from: Tirea Aean on March 02, 2013, 01:57:52 PM
If tsat is on there, IMO, tsal should be too.

Here's the thing... if we strive for "authorative" (which I know, dict-navi is not ìlä sì'efumì suteoä ... xcuse the sarcasm) ... I actually haven't found an official example of tsal  :-\ :-\ :-\
Would be great if you could all help searching ;)
Hmm, that:
Quote from: Na'viteriLì'fya. Kxamlä lì'fya tsun fko vitrati stivawm. Lì'fyal wìntxu ronsemit nìwotx. Lì'ut fkol
solar a krr, tsalì'ul wolìntxu hapxìti vitrayä. Mipa lì'ut fkol nolume a krr, tsalì'u slolu
hapxì vitrayä.
[Surce]
tsalì'u and tsal is just a short form of it?

And this word missing in Dict-Na'vi ;)

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Plumps

No worries, I found it mayself from here (waaaaaaay back  ;D ;D ;D )

No, ma Roland, that's actually coming from tsa-lì'u 'that word' but we were looking for tsa-'u 'that thing' ;) minor difference but great implications ;D

Tìtstewan

Quote from: Plumps on March 02, 2013, 02:43:18 PM
No worries, I found it mayself from here (waaaaaaay back  ;D ;D ;D )
...long time ago.

Quote from: Plumps on March 02, 2013, 02:43:18 PM
No, ma Roland, that's actually coming from tsa-lì'u 'that word' but we were looking for tsa-'u 'that thing' ;) minor difference but great implications ;D[/size][/font]
Well, that's my epic fail. :)

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