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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2013, 03:25:22 pm »
Ah you found it! I knew tsal exists. *Tsala we are not sure of. There are no canon examples or releases of this word. But I have a hunch it may eventually come to be, because we have fula. But of course since there are no records of it, it is not in any dictionary. Rightly so.

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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2013, 04:09:23 pm »
Ah you found it! I knew tsal exists. *Tsala we are not sure of. There are no canon examples or releases of this word. But I have a hunch it may eventually come to be, because we have fula. But of course since there are no records of it, it is not in any dictionary. Rightly so.

I know this is going to sound like the devils advocate here
But i read the article that Plumps posted a link to
Taronyu said he added them regarding some kind of mail or document that they were passed at some time. That to me suggests that there is a document somewhere with it in it. Surely someone would have it otherwise maybe a short email to Karyu Pawl regarding that post for his verification. =) if he rubber stamps it then it's canon right?
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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2013, 03:26:03 pm »
In the dictionary fìtsap is marked as adverb, in dict-na'vi.com it is marked as adposition... ???

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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2013, 05:09:59 pm »
:o :-X :-[

Thanks for pointing that out – corrected ;)

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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2013, 09:28:19 pm »
So, I played a bit the 'quality control manager'.
Just take a look on this:
   Word      Dict-Na'vi      Dictionary      Note   
   'awlo      num.      adv.         
   'awve      num.      adv.         
   fayluta      rel.      n.         
   fmawnta      rel.      n.      Dict-Na'vi: that relative pronoun to reported speech of the verbs stawm or peng / Dictionary: that news (contraction of fmawn–it a)   
   fuke      N/A      conj.      missing in Dict-Na'vi (only in ftxey ... fuke constuction)   
   ha'ngiram      adv.      N/A      missing in Dictionary / translation: yesterday afternoon   
   ha'ngiram      n.      N/A      missing in Dictionary / translation: yesterday afternoon (the afternoon yesterday)   
   ha'ngiray      adv.      N/A      missing in Dictionary / translation: tomorrow afternoon   
   ha'ngiray      n.      N/A      missing in Dictionary / translation: tomorrow afternoon (the afternoon tomorrow)   
   ìì      intj.      filler         
   kangay si      vin.      N/A      missing in Dictionary / translation: confirm, validate   
   kaymam      adv.      N/A      missing in Dictionary / translation: yesterday evening   
   kaymam      n.      N/A      missing in Dictionary / translation: yesterday evening (the evening yesterday)   
   kaymay      adv.      N/A      missing in Dictionary / translation: tomorrow evening   
   kaymay      n.      N/A      missing in Dictionary / translation: tomorrow evening (the evening tomorrow)   
   kekem      n.      pn., adv.         
   kekem ke si      vin.      N/A      missing in Dictionary / translation: do nothing   
   ketsuktswa’      N/A      adj.      missing in Dict-Na'vi / translation: unforgettable   
   kive      num.      adj.         
   krro      adv.      N/A      missing in Dictionary / translation: some time   

...confusion, false word class and missing words.
Which people do the quality management in dict-na'vi.com?

The rest I will check tomorrow.

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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2013, 05:31:17 am »
Yeah, another list ;D

Let me see if I can clear up some of these things (and I speak from dict-navi.com’s perspective)

  • ’awlo … clearly true, that’s an adverb
  • ’awve … is a numeral or adjective, come to think of it. Could be some of these weird twins :P I guess, back then, everything that has to do with numbers and counting got into the category. Numbers in general are treated as adjectives in Na’vi. So the term ‘numeral’ is just a fine tuning. The specifications are the same, i.e. as long as the search engine recognises a’awve as well as ’awvea as coming from ’awve, we’re good ;)
  • fayluta & fmawnta … it isn’t explicitely stated on naviteri but it comes from faylì’u-t a and the a is exactly the reason why for me, this is a relative pronoun and not a noun. The fine tuning on the definition of fmawnta is just not to get people confused with all the ‘what’s and ‘that’s of the language ;)
  • fuke … I don’t see the point of listing it when it is always used in this combination. If other people disagree, we’ll of course add it to the list
  • all the time words in -am and -ay … they gave me a headache, because the advantage of the Taronyu is that we can just ascribe two or more word classes to a word. In dict-navi that’s unfortunately not possible. Plus sometimes it makes it difficult to handle translations because the word shape might change (something English doesn’t have to worry about too much ;) ) Also the fact that -am and -ay on time words are productive. I assume that’s the reason why they are not listed in the Taronyu
  • ìì … simple explanation: I was too lazy to create a new category / word class :P The only other filler I can think of is tse –  :-\ hmmm, have to talk to Tukan about that.
  • kangay si … is definately a valid word (’xcuse the pun :P ). It should be in the Taronyu (see here)
  • kekem … again, the same with the categories. In dict-navi, n. and pn. follow the same search rules. So, there is not much of a difference between a pn and a n – they follow the same rules. If people think, ‘pn.’ is more correct, we’ll change it
  • kekem ke si … it was used as far as I remember. I just included it because the double negative might be something worth noting ;)
  • the (ke)tsuk- words … are not included in dict-navi because the prefixes tsuk- and ketsuk- are productive on most verbs. So, even if you type a word like ketsukyo’ (whatever that might mean), it will appear on dict-navi as the verb yo’ and the hint at the prefix ketsuk- from those one should be able to get the meaning.
  • kive … see above
  • krro … now that’s a word I’m not sure even exists. :-\ I think some one (could’ve been me  :-X :-[ ) derived it from krro krro – I have to ask Pawl next time I am in contact with him.

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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2013, 08:44:35 am »
Hehe, the lists will continue soon. ;) ;D


  • ’awlo … clearly true, that’s an adverb
In Dict-Na'vi marked as num. :)


  • ’awve … is a numeral or adjective, come to think of it. Could be some of these weird twins :P I guess, back then, everything that has to do with numbers and counting got into the category. Numbers in general are treated as adjectives in Na’vi. So the term ‘numeral’ is just a fine tuning. The specifications are the same, i.e. as long as the search engine recognises a’awve as well as ’awvea as coming from ’awve, we’re good ;)
Ok. I have already thought that there is the cause.


  • fayluta & fmawnta … it isn’t explicitely stated on naviteri but it comes from faylì’u-t a and the a is exactly the reason why for me, this is a relative pronoun and not a noun. The fine tuning on the definition of fmawnta is just not to get people confused with all the ‘what’s and ‘that’s of the language ;)
Well, that is so confusing... :o
I would ask Pawl whether this word a noun or a relative pronoun.


  • fuke … I don’t see the point of listing it when it is always used in this combination. If other people disagree, we’ll of course add it to the list
I don't know, I saw this word is missing in Dict-Na'vi... If the word is found only in combination, then anybody should change it in the Taronyu's dictionary, because the word alone would not make sense.


  • all the time words in -am and -ay … they gave me a headache, because the advantage of the Taronyu is that we can just ascribe two or more word classes to a word. In dict-navi that’s unfortunately not possible. Plus sometimes it makes it difficult to handle translations because the word shape might change (something English doesn’t have to worry about too much ;) ) Also the fact that -am and -ay on time words are productive. I assume that’s the reason why they are not listed in the Taronyu
Ah, ok. :)


  • ìì … simple explanation: I was too lazy to create a new category / word class :P The only other filler I can think of is tse –  :-\ hmmm, have to talk to Tukan about that.
;D Just take [oth.] (category other, you already have it).


  • kangay si … is definately a valid word (’xcuse the pun :P ). It should be in the Taronyu (see here)
:D *writting a post*


  • kekem … again, the same with the categories. In dict-navi, n. and pn. follow the same search rules. So, there is not much of a difference between a pn and a n – they follow the same rules. If people think, ‘pn.’ is more correct, we’ll change it
Ok. :)


  • kekem ke si … it was used as far as I remember. I just included it because the double negative might be something worth noting ;)
Ah! Very good.


  • krro … now that’s a word I’m not sure even exists. :-\ I think some one (could’ve been me  :-X :-[ ) derived it from krro krro – I have to ask Pawl next time I am in contact with him.
:) :)

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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2013, 02:32:39 pm »

  • all the time words in -am and -ay … they gave me a headache, because the advantage of the Taronyu is that we can just ascribe two or more word classes to a word. In dict-navi that’s unfortunately not possible. Plus sometimes it makes it difficult to handle translations because the word shape might change (something English doesn’t have to worry about too much ;) ) Also the fact that -am and -ay on time words are productive. I assume that’s the reason why they are not listed in the Taronyu
Ah, ok. :)
Pxiswawam and pxiswaway is already included in the dictionary, so why not ha'ngiram, ha'ngiray and other words with am/ay? (I just ask me...)


   Word      Dict-Na'vi      Dictionary   
   mawkrr      adp.      adv.         
   melo      num.      adv.         
   natkenong      adv.      conj.         

I have to look to section S, T, Ts and Tx tomorrow. :)

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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2013, 02:39:15 pm »
  • fayluta & fmawnta … it isn’t explicitely stated on naviteri but it comes from faylì’u-t a and the a is exactly the reason why for me, this is a relative pronoun and not a noun. The fine tuning on the definition of fmawnta is just not to get people confused with all the ‘what’s and ‘that’s of the language ;)
There's a very good reason why fayluta/fmawnta can't be a noun: both these are created from noun (faylì'u/fmawn) with case ending attached + relative -a-. So:
  • adding second case ending is not possible
  • AFAIK adding relative -a- do not produce noun - compare with futa
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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2013, 04:25:57 pm »
Pxiswawam and pxiswaway is already included in the dictionary, so why not ha'ngiram, ha'ngiray and other words with am/ay? (I just ask me...)

I don’t know, you have to raise this issue over at the dictionary thread ;)

I changed the things I didn’t have the time for this morning.

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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2013, 04:34:55 pm »
I don’t know, you have to raise this issue over at the dictionary thread ;)
Done. ;)


I changed the things I didn’t have the time for this morning.
Ok, no problem. :)

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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #51 on: April 02, 2013, 02:22:07 pm »
  • fayluta & fmawnta … it isn’t explicitely stated on naviteri but it comes from faylì’u-t a and the a is exactly the reason why for me, this is a relative pronoun and not a noun. The fine tuning on the definition of fmawnta is just not to get people confused with all the ‘what’s and ‘that’s of the language ;)
There's a very good reason why fayluta/fmawnta can't be a noun: both these are created from noun (faylì'u/fmawn) with case ending attached + relative -a-. So:
  • adding second case ending is not possible
  • AFAIK adding relative -a- do not produce noun - compare with futa
Just a question:
Why fayluta [fay+lì’u–t a] is a noun and fmawnta [fmawn–it a] not?

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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #52 on: April 02, 2013, 02:38:57 pm »
  • fayluta & fmawnta … it isn’t explicitely stated on naviteri but it comes from faylì’u-t a and the a is exactly the reason why for me, this is a relative pronoun and not a noun. The fine tuning on the definition of fmawnta is just not to get people confused with all the ‘what’s and ‘that’s of the language ;)
There's a very good reason why fayluta/fmawnta can't be a noun: both these are created from noun (faylì'u/fmawn) with case ending attached + relative -a-. So:
  • adding second case ending is not possible
  • AFAIK adding relative -a- do not produce noun - compare with futa
Just a question:
Why fayluta [fay+lì’u–t a] is a noun and fmawnta [fmawn–it a] not?

I see both as relative pronouns - seems ok to me. Or I can't see something?
Fmawn is noun, also correct
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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2013, 07:52:28 am »
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« Reply #54 on: April 17, 2013, 09:58:26 am »
Thanks! Corrected. :D

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« Reply #55 on: May 11, 2013, 08:48:08 pm »
Ok this is rather strange.

I was checking myself on numbers

typed mrrvolaw to make sure i remembered the number 41 correctly
 and got this as the result:
"Conversion result:

thenumber mrrvolaw means in English 14
octal (Na'vi):

16
   
structure (calculative):

(8) + 6
   
structure (grammatical):

vo.fu"

so i thought what the heck? so typed 41 and got this

"Conversion result:

thenumber 41 means in Na'vi mrrvolaw
octal (Na'vi):

51
   
structure (calculative):

(5 · 8) + 1
   
structure (grammatical):

mrˌ.vol.aw"

not sure why this is. but could really throw you off if you just doublechecking yourself or trying to translate a number someone typed that you couldn't work out

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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2013, 09:44:21 am »
This look like a little bug.

Normally there should be a double r but that word is written in phonetics letters - m.vol.aw would be correct. This problem is not only on numbers: 'rrta - [ˈʔ.ta]
Dict-na'vi seems to have a problem to show the phonetic letters correctly. This (I used unicode: 1E5B) instead this .

I just believe that the words is shown in phonetic letters, not the correct words.
11110 = 1578 = 82 + 5 x 8 + 7 = zam.mrˌ.vo.hin
Word zamrrvohin.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2013, 09:50:20 am by Tìtstewan »

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« Reply #57 on: May 12, 2013, 11:13:57 am »
That and it says that mrrvolaw means 14. 14 is vofu. O.o

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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #58 on: May 12, 2013, 06:23:32 pm »
Enter mrrvol and you will get 158 instead 508 (4010). ???

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Re: Dict-na'vi.com report
« Reply #59 on: May 23, 2013, 04:09:39 pm »
tsnì is not a relative pronoun. Relative pronoun is something like

Die Regel, die ich gelernt habe..
The rule that I have learned..

I've raised the issue, about which part of speech tsnì is, in the main Dictionary thread for discussion. imho it's a conjunction. *shrug* :-\

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