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Is a "mini-dictionary" of all short form and colloqual words of Na'vi desirable?

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Maybe it would be great, if anybody can create a 'mini dictionary' with all these short form and colloquial words of Na'vi. ???
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Is a "mini-dictionary" of all short form and colloqual words of Na'vi desirable?

I would be willing to create one. :)
It will be really great if everyone would post possible and allowed Na'vi word here wich not written in the 'big' dictionary.

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I think there's not.

It would be useful, but I don't know if we really need it.

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I have added a poll. :)
...is much better.

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You mean something like a ‘slang’ dictionary?
Depends on what you want to achieve with that … at the moment I think there are not that many that couldn’t find their way in the regular dictionary. So, right now, I think we don’t need it.

And then there is the difference between ‘written’ and spoken forms. For example in the new blog entry it’s stated that yayayrnga’ is often pronounced *yayaynga’ but always written with the r … that could probably pose problems in the future if this process of difference between spoken and written form happens more often.

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You mean something like a ‘slang’ dictionary?
Depends on what you want to achieve with that … at the moment I think there are not that many that couldn’t find their way in the regular dictionary. So, right now, I think we don’t need it.

And then there is the difference between ‘written’ and spoken forms. For example in the new blog entry it’s stated that yayayrnga’ is often pronounced *yayaynga’ but always written with the r … that could probably pose problems in the future if this process of difference between spoken and written form happens more often.


I would greatly appreciate a compilation document containing all of these discrepancies between spoken and written Na'vi.

A slang dictionary.. we don't have loads of slang right now. But if we do end up with a lot later, starting such a dictionary now and keeping track over time would definitely be easiest.

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You mean something like a ‘slang’ dictionary?
Depends on what you want to achieve with that … at the moment I think there are not that many that couldn’t find their way in the regular dictionary. So, right now, I think we don’t need it.
I would greatly appreciate a compilation document containing all of these discrepancies between spoken and written Na'vi.
A slang dictionary.. we don't have loads of slang right now. But if we do end up with a lot later, starting such a dictionary now and keeping track over time would definitely be easiest.
No, not like a 'slang' dictionary. More like a document which containing difference between written and spoken words.
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palukan – [pa.'lu.kan] – colloquial of: palulukanthanator
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Note: We say EXAMPLE.

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Note: We say EXAMPLE.

Which is a means of observing how things are or should be used..

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No, not like a 'slang' dictionary. More like a document which containing difference between written and spoken words.

YES please. Voted yes.

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Note: We say EXAMPLE.

Which is a means of observing how things are or should be used.
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The written vs spoken form would be quite a helpful thing, especially for intermediate learners. It could possibly be considered as an appendix for the main dictionary. Maybe even the slang dictionary, it it has enough useful info  :-\

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So I have read the (actual) main dictionary for colloquial word.
I fund just 4 colloquial words...

I already know that a lots of words from genetive [-yä to -y] or the millitary spelling are avaliable.
I think it would really nice, if the experts of Na'vi language can sent me, post or other way known colloquial word.

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You see, there we go :P that would be a very mini Mini-Dictionary :P ;D

But maybe we misunderstood each other and have different ideas about what a slang dictionary would be ;)

The thing with these words is that they actually exist in writing ;)
The other thing I was thinking of are those words where the pronunciation is slightly different than the spelling…

For example:
zenke => pr.: zengke
ronsrelngop => often pr.: ronsrewngop
mehawnven, pxehawnven, ayhawnven => coll.: mawnven, pxawnven, ayawnven
mehawntsyokx, pxehawntsyokx, ayhawntsyokx => coll.: mawntsyokx, pxawntsyokx, ayawntsyokx
yayayrnga’ => coll.: yayaynga’
solalew (in the age question) => coll.: solew
and for the reflexive si forms säpoli => coll.: spoli (I’m not sure but I could imagine that this may also happen without ‹ol›: säpi > spi but that’s conjecture)

These are the instances off the top of my head that I could remember where Frommer specifically said: “These reduced forms, however, are not used in written Na’vi except when you want to reproduce the effect of casual speech. (Compare “going to” vs. “gonna” in English.)” [1]

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You see, there we go :P that would be a very mini Mini-Dictionary :P ;D
Indeed. Currently it wuold be a 'micro-dictionary'. ;D


But maybe we misunderstood each other and have different ideas about what a slang dictionary would be ;)
Hmm, maybe? They can post here their ideas for creating 'mini-dict.' / 'slang-dict'. I would like this. ;)
To integrate this in the main dictionary...I don't know, it would being 'overloaded'. :-\


The thing with these words is that they actually exist in writing ;)
The other thing I was thinking of are those words where the pronunciation is slightly different than the spelling…

For example:
zenke => pr.: zengke
ronsrelngop => often pr.: ronsrewngop
mehawnven, pxehawnven, ayhawnven => coll.: mawnven, pxawnven, ayawnven
mehawntsyokx, pxehawntsyokx, ayhawntsyokx => coll.: mawntsyokx, pxawntsyokx, ayawntsyokx
yayayrnga’ => coll.: yayaynga’
solalew (in the age question) => coll.: solew
and for the reflexive si forms säpoli => coll.: spoli (I’m not sure but I could imagine that this may also happen without ‹ol›: säpi > spi but that’s conjecture)
Irayo for this! Much better than only 4 words. :D ;D
I will collect all colloquials ords first. After I have 'enough', I will start writting.


These are the instances off the top of my head that I could remember where Frommer specifically said: “These reduced forms, however, are not used in written Na’vi except when you want to reproduce the effect of casual speech. (Compare “going to” vs. “gonna” in English.)” [1]
I will keep it in my mind.
A language will be 'more natural' when it have colloquials elements, especially for speech. ;)

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As with säpoli, in casual conversation säpalmi is often pronounced spalmi.
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As with säpoli, in casual conversation säpalmi is often pronounced spalmi.
That’s why I’m wondering whether in casual conversation all säpi could turn into spi :-\

I found other instances of contractions in here

nìayoeng => pr.: nayweng (I think this is known for a long time)
mì ay+ => pr.: may-, e.g. mì ayutral > mayutral
sì ay+ => pr.: say-, e.g. horen sì aylì’u > horen saylì’u


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Interesting!
So I want to collect all of these words. :)
*collecting*

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 :o wow!

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Here is a little table of some colloquial word that I found.

      Collocal Word            IPA            Type of Word            Derivated            Pronounced Word            Translation      
      palukan            [pa.'lu.kan]            n.            colloquial of palulukan            palukan            thanator      
      ’evan            ['Ɂ ε.van]            n.            colloquial of ’evengan            'evan            boy      
      ’eve            ['Ɂ ε.ve]            n.            colloquial of ’evenge            'eve            girl      
      sran            [sɾan]            part., intj.            colloquial of srane            sran            yes      
      zenke            [ˈzɛŋ.kɛ]            vinm.            pronunced as            zengke            must not      
      ronsrelngop            [ˈɾon.sɾɛw.ŋop]            vtr.            pronunced as            ronsrewngop            imagine, envision      
      mehawnven            [mawn.ˈvɛn]            n.            pronunced as            mawnven            two shoe      
      pxehawnven            [pʼawn.ˈvɛn]            n.            pronunced as            pxawnven            three shoe      
      ayhawnven            [ajawn.ˈvɛn]            n.            pronunced as            ayawnven            shoes      
      yayayrnga’            [ja.ˈjaj.ŋaʔ]            adj.            pronunced as            yayaynga’            confusing      
      solalew            [sol.ɛw]            v.            pronunced as            solew            proceeded      
      säpoli            [spo.li]            vin.            pronunced as            spoli            postpositional nonbound verb 'do, make'      
      nìayoeng            [naj.wɛŋ]            adv.            pronunced as            nayweng            like us, as we do      
      mì ay+ -> mì ayutral            [maj]             -            pronunced as            mayutral            in trees      
      sì ay+ -> sì aylì’u            [saj]             -            pronunced as            saylì’u            and words      
      ayoeng            [aj.ˈwɛŋ]             pn.            pronunced as            ayweng            we (all)      
      oe            [wɛ]             pn.            pronunced as            we            I     
« Last Edit: February 10, 2013, 12:11:14 pm by Tìtstewan »

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