Mega Na'vi Booklet

Started by Tstewa Ikrantsyìp, July 31, 2014, 12:02:14 AM

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`Eylan Ayfalulukanä

A real interesting book to look at is Klingon for the Galactic Traveler. It introduces vocabulary by including it in a narrative discussion of the topic at hand. The only problem here is that Marc Okrand is not only the creator of the Klingon language, but is also a (if not the) leading expert in Klingon culture. Here, that would be James Cameorn. So, without knowing Mr. Cameron's thoughts on a lot of things, it would be harder to write in such a style.

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`Eylan Ayfalulukanä

Quote from: Tìtstewan on September 30, 2014, 08:55:34 AM
I think, you want to create something like this:

Right?

I'd give my eye teeth for a copy of that book!

Yawey ngahu!
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Tirea Aean


Tstewa Ikrantsyìp

thank-you archaic.. I will put weather and the coping skills in the project as well.

Anybody else have any other ideas??
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Tìtstewan

Quote from: Tirea Aean on September 30, 2014, 03:26:03 PM
Eye teeth? O____o
What is this? ???

Quote from: Tstewa Ikrantsyìp on October 01, 2014, 05:00:37 AM
thank-you archaic.. I will put weather and the coping skills in the project as well.

Anybody else have any other ideas??
Some thougts,
- Na'vi culture (maybe it could be useful to read the ASG / see movie / read some threads in the "Na'vi Customs and Culture" board)
- Na'vi's history, myths, legends etc
- that idea by archaic
(the Na'vi language stuff are currently in work, so you could add them when finished.)
...and some more ideas that I don't know yet.

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Tstewa Ikrantsyìp

Thank-you for those ideas Tìtsewan. keep em' comin! I'll just keep on eatin em up, i'm like a kitty cat in a shop full of free kibblies. i love it!

Also, i do realise that some chapters are still in progress by Tirea and you, along with a few other chapters some other Na'vi are working on as well, so I'll wait, I have no problem. so i'm starting on the chapters such as culture religion and a few others.

I've started estimating the time it may take to complete this project, it depends when some of the other chapters are completed, some activites, alone with a few other things... I'm not sure but it seems like it may take between 18 months and 36 months... if we want to be thorough.

what do you think??
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Tstewa Ikrantsyìp

it mostly depends on when other parts of the project are completed.

I have you and tirea who are doing some of the grammar chapters and such,
I have someone else who is doing activites
others who are doing fun facts or something alike,
and i'm going to start working with someone to create questions and chapter quizzes

it depends on how long all of them take. because if each one of them is finished in 18 months, then I have 18 months to finish all the other chapters, the title, introduction, credits, index, pre-face, and a few other things.

any other ideas we can put/or I'm missing - in the book??
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Blue Elf

If you want to add all what we know, look at Pandorapedia (what is less or more ASG) and Avatar wikia - maybe these were already mentioned. But note, that not all information there are correct (especially about language)
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Tstewa Ikrantsyìp

fabulous thank-you!!!

any other chapter ideas???
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Kame Ayyo’koti

I would love to see a new guide for Na'vi, and given how closely language is tied to culture it makes sense to discuss the Na'vi people and how they understand the world.

Just an idea I'll toss out: I read some interesting articles recently about learning language. They discuss a new approach that appears to be very effective: Learn a language by using the language to learn another, non-language subject. Here is an article about it.

Perhaps you could discuss the Na'vi people and Pandora in Na'vi?
"Your work is to discover your world, and then with all your heart give yourself to it."

Tirea Aean

Quote from: Kame Ayyo'koti on October 22, 2014, 09:48:54 PM
Just an idea I'll toss out: I read some interesting articles recently about learning language. They discuss a new approach that appears to be very effective: Learn a language by using the language to learn another, non-language subject. Here is an article about it.

Perhaps you could discuss the Na'vi people and Pandora in Na'vi?


If that's the case, then there can be no better topic of discussion if one is to use the Na'vi language to discuss something. The problem is, that topic is something about which knowledge is still somewhat limited in the grand scheme of things. All I know is, it's easier to talk about than quantum physics or mathematics or 21st century western pop culture.

Tstewa Ikrantsyìp

Irayo ma Kame Ayyo'koti I will have a look. 

I have also been doing research on how to effectively learn a language, aka Na'vi, because it seems to me, that even though I am trying to create this huge text-book by bringing all this information together, and i'm surrounded by all this wonderful information about the Na'vi people, their culture, their way of life etc, it is detramentally difficult to learn the language myself.

I think you might be interested.

http://www.wikihow.com/Learn-Any-Language
http://markmanson.net/foreign-languagehttp://markmanson.net/foreign-language
http://fourhourworkweek.com/2014/03/21/how-to-learn-a-foreign-language-2/
http://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newTIM_10.htm
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-to-learn-a-foreign-language-in-3-months-2014-3
http://time.com/3453841/the-secret-to-learning-a-foreign-language-as-an-adult/#3453841/the-secret-to-learning-a-foreign-language-as-an-adult/
http://www.howtolearn.com/2011/03/3-beginning-tips-to-learn-a-foreign-language/


Also Tirea Aean, in your comment do you mean it is best to talk about Na'vi IN the Na'vi language...? what would happen for the people who aren't quite fluent yet?   :-\ I was slightly confused by your comment, I'm A a little slooooooooooow *slow motion dodges a bullet* lately. if you wouldn't mind explaining the comment ;D





ta Ney'ite
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Quote from: Tirea Aean on October 22, 2014, 10:03:15 PM
If that's the case, then there can be no better topic of discussion if one is to use the Na'vi language to discuss something. The problem is, that topic is something about which knowledge is still somewhat limited in the grand scheme of things. All I know is, it's easier to talk about than quantum physics or mathematics or 21st century western pop culture.
It's true there isn't much that can be said about the Na'vi with certainty, but something is better than nothing, even seemingly simple or obvious things. «Mo'atìri lu Tsahìk Omatikayä, alu Na'vi a Kelutralmì kelku si, ulte lu sa'nok Neytiriyä.» is a valuable use of the language that readers can learn from. What's available in Pandorapedia could be translated.

The point is not that the information would be in-depth and thorough, but that lì'fya leNa'vi be utilized to provide it, and readers must know it to understand it. Writing even what little we know about the Na'vi would make use of words that might not get much use otherwise, like tsamopin, tsko swizaw, teylu, fngapsutxwll, txll'u, kali'weya, etc. Actually, looking at the Pandorapedia, I think there's a ton of material that could be translated and used.

But no, it doesn't have to be restricted to the Na'vi and Pandora, and I don't think it should be. It may be good to dabble in a wide-variety of subjects. There could be small sections on arithmetic (a great excuse to use/learn Na'vi's octal system ;)), arts and crafts, etc. It's difficult to suggest what to talk about, since there are so many subjects we could choose from, and not everyone is going to be interested in each thing.

But again, something is better than nothing. Even a three-sentence paragraph on geography is valuable.
"Your work is to discover your world, and then with all your heart give yourself to it."

Kame Ayyo’koti

Irayo ma Ney'ite. Indeed, learning a language is a strange and interesting challenge, and learning to learn is perhaps just as challenging. ;D It's a good idea to find out what others have done. Thank you for the links.

In the end there's probably no one way to do it. Each person has to try everything and see what works for them. If we're going to write a book, we should perhaps offer as many ways to them as we can.

Quote from: Tstewa Ikrantsyìp on October 23, 2014, 12:54:41 AM
Also Tirea Aean, in your comment do you mean it is best to talk about Na'vi IN the Na'vi language...? what would happen for the people who aren't quite fluent yet?
That's what I suggested. The idea is to learn the language by using it—to learn about something you want to know (for example, the Na'vi). It would be a challenge to read when you're a beginner, but that's the point: You have to think about what's written and figure it out, and the desire to know what it says gives you the motivation to do that.

To make it easier, information could be provided with simple syntax and fewer words at first (like "bite-sized" information: «Mo'at lu tsahìk Omatikayä.» «Jake lu Tawtute.»), and increase in complexity throughout the book. Earlier reading wouldn't use advanced syntactical structures. Each "stage" could add only a handful of new words at a time. And so forth.
"Your work is to discover your world, and then with all your heart give yourself to it."

Tirea Aean

Indeed, take my word for it, using the language and using it as much as you can, with someone who is already very familiar with it is a seriously great way to learn. (once I started doing this instead of using the online translator/dictionary thingy that was out at the time, I truly started to learn a lot and got to be independent) It's fun to jump right in and communicate with it. And as time goes on, it's like you can't help but improve, if you're giving it a lot of time and are serious about it. :)

Tstewa Ikrantsyìp

Irayo ma frapo

I haven't had any chances to speak tha language for a while, I've been working mostly on organising the project and finding a way to bring it all together. I'm honestly considering saving up a bit of money (maybe a few hundred) and then going and printing off every single piece of information i have. I'm thinking if i organise it by hand it will be easier to visualise and i can begin putting everything together in the program i'm using.

also, the different learning techniques... if you wouldn't mind, I know one or two but if you could perhaps post the learning techniques you know of, it would be alot of help.
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Kame Ayyo’koti

Quote from: Tstewa Ikrantsyìp on October 23, 2014, 09:16:00 PM
also, the different learning techniques... if you wouldn't mind, I know one or two but if you could perhaps post the learning techniques you know of, it would be alot of help.


A bunch of methods are listed in this online book: for vocab, Speaking/Understanding, Reading/Writing, Pronunciation, Etc..

These are just some of the ones I've found online. There's definitely more.

Some of these will not work for Na'vi, like immersion. And of course some won't work in a textbook (a textbook cannot replace a real, live, knowledgable speaker), but they are methods nonetheless.

Here's an interesting bookmark of mine with regards to all of this: Mapping Out Your Strategy Guide

Since I began learning, I've put a lot of effort into figuring out methods that I enjoy and that seem to work for me. Even now I'm still trying to come up with new things.
"Your work is to discover your world, and then with all your heart give yourself to it."

Kame Ayyo’koti

Also, it's a bit deep, but there's a book I've read that has some interesting food for thought in this area, if you have some money to throw at it. The title may sound a bit silly, but it discusses research in the area of human perception, attention, and learning:

http://amzn.com/0201339919

I'm trying to think of applications for her ideas with learning Na'vi.
"Your work is to discover your world, and then with all your heart give yourself to it."

Tstewa Ikrantsyìp

curiosity killed the cat but I have a question.

I have said before that i would like some questions through-out the text-book.
and I was thinking....
wondering...
imagining...

what do you all think of creating the questions, translating them into Na'vi AND THEN putting them into the text-book. so people would have to translate the question before they can answer it....

thoughts anyone....?
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