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My infix chart
« on: October 09, 2010, 05:01:59 pm »
I decided to update and pretty-fy an infix chart I made ages ago (it's much more cluttered now, haha). I like having them all in one place and I'm hoping this can help others too. Please take a look and tell me what you think and if there are mistakes or other things I should change.

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I've updated this now. Added <äpeyk> and as you can see, there are other resolutions now. Also, thanks to Ftiafpi, there are some prettier versions here (they might not have the addition about <äpeyk> yet though).
« Last Edit: December 31, 2010, 08:03:23 am by Nyx »

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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2010, 05:23:44 pm »
Some things:

  • *Fyawäpolintängu should be fyawäpolìntxängu.
  • Causatives of transitive verbs leave the accusative object unchanged: oel taron (talioangit) -> ngal teykaron (talioangit) oeru (also note ergative; source)
  • Kin is not a modal verb (source), but fmi is. Perhaps you were thinking of the conjunction fte?

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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2010, 05:34:53 pm »
LOL @ "Verily, may I request from thee that thou doth give to me the salt which thou art possess'd of".

This is a really useful resource to people that are still having trouble remembering all their infixes (read: EVERYBODY).

Great job!

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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2010, 05:37:57 pm »
Irayo, ma Lance, I'll fix that stuff.

That "pass the salt" thing is Kewnya Txamew'itan's, it made me laugh so hard I just had to include it.

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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2010, 05:43:11 pm »
We also discovered that we have been perpetuating a terrible mistake: the participle infixes ‹us› and ‹awn› are first position, not pre-first.  Which means Na'vi participles cannot have tense or aspect.
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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2010, 06:04:12 pm »
We also discovered that we have been perpetuating a terrible mistake: the participle infixes ‹us› and ‹awn› are first position, not pre-first.  Which means Na'vi participles cannot have tense or aspect.

So that means that ONLY <äp> and <eyk> are pre-first, then?

That actually makes total sense. To be honest, I can't see how <us> and <awn> would have possibly gone with a tense or aspect infix anyway; it doesn't make sense. Oe t<awn><ìly>arona tute lu; I am a soon-will-have-been-hunted person? That's quite a stretch.

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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2010, 06:13:31 pm »
That actually makes total sense. To be honest, I can't see how <us> and <awn> would have possibly gone with a tense or aspect infix anyway; it doesn't make sense. Oe t<awn><ìly>arona tute lu; I am a soon-will-have-been-hunted person? That's quite a stretch.

Oh, gosh.  Lot's of languages have tense and aspect on their participles... especially aspect.  Ancient Greek, for example, used them practically every sentence, but non-Euro languages have tensed participles, too: Hawai'ian, Georgian, etc.
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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2010, 08:38:22 pm »
We also discovered that we have been perpetuating a terrible mistake: the participle infixes ‹us› and ‹awn› are first position, not pre-first.  Which means Na'vi participles cannot have tense or aspect.

So that means that ONLY <äp> and <eyk> are pre-first, then?
Looks like it, although I questioned using them together.

E.g. how would one translate "I had to make myself go away from that."


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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2010, 12:59:35 am »
You are calling your table of infixes such as <arm>,<ìly>, etc. 'combinations of second position infixes'. Isn't that supposed to be 'Combinations of first position infixes'?

Otherwise, that is awesome, and suitable for a nice poster.

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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2010, 08:10:49 am »
We also discovered that we have been perpetuating a terrible mistake: the participle infixes ‹us› and ‹awn› are first position, not pre-first.  Which means Na'vi participles cannot have tense or aspect.
Oh, that's an important bit, I was convinced they were pre-first. Thanks for telling me

You are calling your table of infixes such as <arm>,<ìly>, etc. 'combinations of second position infixes'. Isn't that supposed to be 'Combinations of first position infixes'?

Otherwise, that is awesome, and suitable for a nice poster.
D'oh! That's all I have to say in my defense.

An updated version will be up later today is up
« Last Edit: October 10, 2010, 01:44:08 pm by Nyx »

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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2010, 09:09:36 pm »
I'll be taking this now.

Very nice ma Nyx.


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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2010, 02:46:26 am »
Txantsan chart ma 'eylan, stickied...  ;)

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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2010, 03:08:12 am »
In the section about <iv> you call it second position.  Everywhere else has it as first.
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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2010, 03:39:21 am »
Can you make a PNG version of the chart?  Also, I've been using the chart as my desktop wallpaper to help learn all the infixes.  You should make some desktop wallpaper versions of the chart.  Having some LearnNa'vi desktop wallpapers would be a really cool addition to the LearnNa'vi.org site.

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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2010, 11:57:46 am »
In the section about <iv> you call it second position.  Everywhere else has it as first.
I think I divided by zero... It'll be changed soon.

Can you make a PNG version of the chart?  Also, I've been using the chart as my desktop wallpaper to help learn all the infixes.  You should make some desktop wallpaper versions of the chart.  Having some LearnNa'vi desktop wallpapers would be a really cool addition to the LearnNa'vi.org site.
Formats and sizes are no problem. But how's the text when you use it as a wallpaper? Not too small? I wasn't too fond of it on my 13" screen, but I guess it gets better on a bigger one. Oh and irayo for the sticky ^^

I like the wallpaper idea, might play around with that ^^ and if there are requests, just poke me.

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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2010, 03:37:08 pm »
I'm using your chart on my 15" Macbook Pro screen and the text looks just fine.  The main reason I was suggesting PNG is because JPG and Text don't always get along very well.  Besides desktop wallpaper, this chart looks like it would be really nice to have printed out as a poster as well.

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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2010, 05:58:52 pm »
I use it as the background on my laptop as well and the text is pretty easy to read. :)


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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2010, 07:44:39 pm »
So, I changed the original one to png and there are two wallpaper-sized versions now. I'll make the bigger ones too, just have to figure out a nice way to deal with the proportions (and I'm too tired for that now).

Oh, I also added a bit about what infixes go where when there are modals in play.

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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2010, 11:29:07 pm »
Irayo, looking forward to the larger wall paper sizes...  ;)

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Re: My infix chart
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2010, 07:30:23 pm »
I quite like it :)  Biggest issue I have is the colours and the printing ease...

 

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