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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #120 on: June 07, 2010, 09:02:21 am »
Are you going to update the nutshell? Because I want print it...
Sorry but I speak english a litlle bit

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #121 on: June 07, 2010, 09:21:07 am »
He usually updates it when there are enough changes (errors spotted or additions to grammar from Frommer) to make it worthwhile - it doesn't change all the time like Taronyuä dictionary does, but it does change sometimes, once every few months nowadays.
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #122 on: June 07, 2010, 09:02:45 pm »
Basically what Muzer said.  The next version probably won't be out until around mid July, unless we get a batch of new information.  
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #123 on: June 10, 2010, 12:00:05 pm »
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I am going through the Na'vi in a Nutshell .pdf file and it's magnificent.  I notice in one of the examples a possible mis-translation...

Please refer to 5.1.2, Compound Infixes...

"Po s<ary>op trray." is translated as "I will be traveling tomorrow."

I am just beginning on this tutorial, but I believe there is a discrepancy between the subject "Po" and it's translation "I".  I believe it should either read "Oe s<ary>op trray." (I will.be.traveling tomorrow.) or "Po s<ary>op trray." (He/she will.be.traveling tomorrow.)

If I am in error, please disregard this email and thank you for this resource.  If it has already been reported, I appreciate your time anyway.

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #124 on: June 10, 2010, 12:54:55 pm »
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #125 on: June 10, 2010, 01:01:22 pm »
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Were you walking in the long grass again?  ::)

Anyway, he's right, that is a mistake.
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #126 on: June 11, 2010, 02:57:45 am »
The mistake is now corrected and will be included in the next update, thanks for pointing it out. 

On a more personal note:  Oe saryop mì "Mantana" ulte tayätxaw mì vomun trr.  No computers, so unfortunately no contact with the forum.  Ngaytxoa.

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #127 on: June 15, 2010, 01:46:14 pm »
Concerning pronunciation:
I was wondering, because this is something that I got my head around only these past few weeks, whether something should be said about the unaspirated nature of p, t, and k…

Going with the motto not to use too much linguistic babble one could explain it with less puff of air when holding your hand before your mouth? – just a suggestion ;)

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #128 on: June 15, 2010, 02:34:34 pm »
To compare and contrast different forms of {p}, {t}, or {k}, put your hand in front of your mouth, and feel carefully:

  • Aspirated {ph}, {th}, {kh}: you should expect to feel a smooth, consistent stream of air.
  • Unaspirated {p}, {t}, {k}: you should expect to feel a puff of air that is brief.
  • Ejective {p'}, {t'}, {k'}: you should expect to feel an intense puff of air that goes away as quickly as it came.  It doesn't really feel like much.

So to compare an unaspirated consonant to an aspirated consonant, the unaspirated version is less breathy.  You are correct on that one, Plumps.

However, to compare an unaspirated consonant to an ejective consonant, the unaspirated version is more breathy.
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #129 on: June 15, 2010, 03:31:12 pm »
Thanks for that, ma lapo lesxkxawng…
I hadn’t thought of the ejectives … could be useful as well

In the end it’s Neo’s decision how (or if) he wants to include that

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #130 on: June 21, 2010, 05:21:02 pm »
Version 2.2:  Created 2.2.1, 10.4, 10.4.1, LN 4.4, LN 8.3, LN 10.2, LN 10.3, fixed typos in 8.1.3 and 8.1.4.
 
I like the info about the pronunciation above, but I don't think it's necessary for NIAN.  Anyone that invested in the language will have downloaded/heard pronunciations and won't need the description (I think). 
« Last Edit: June 21, 2010, 05:23:38 pm by NeotrekkerZ »
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #131 on: June 21, 2010, 05:51:42 pm »
Hi,
at LN 10.2 you missed the -a- on mrrmrra trr. ;)
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #132 on: June 21, 2010, 06:08:19 pm »
For anyone who doesn't want to look through each section mentioned to see what it's all about, I've made a list of the bigger updates:

<MuzerNtbk> yeah, got all the octal updates, mainly, and gerunds
<MuzerNtbk> and rr/ll taking consonant endings
<MuzerNtbk> and about tsawa and tsata
<MuzerNtbk> that's all

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #133 on: June 21, 2010, 08:59:40 pm »
Thanks for the error spotting.  Since it hasn't been updated on the main page yet, I've gone ahead and resubmitted the correction.
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #134 on: June 24, 2010, 11:31:49 am »
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #135 on: July 06, 2010, 09:02:44 pm »
LN 4.3

"Regarding the inclusive pronoun forms: the ng that we tacked onto the exclusive forms comes from nga"

Wait what

Isn't it the inclusive forms that get this ending
"Uhh ... we should put it out something that it likes and then when it comes to get it we can kill it."
"Oh yeah heh heh ... cool ... um heh ... what do flies like?"
"Uhh ... they like garbage and crap."
"Oh yeah yeah heh heh ... flies are pretty cool sometimes, yeah eh heh heh."

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #136 on: July 06, 2010, 09:44:05 pm »
oe, moe, pxoe, and ayoe are the exclusive first person pronouns; ng is added to get oeng, pxoeng, and ayoeng, which are the inclusive first person pronouns. ng isn't something that's added to inclusive pronouns, because it's what makes a pronoun inclusive.
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Slä txo tuteo fmi 'ivampi ngat ro seng, fu nìfya'o, a 'eykefu ngati vä', tsakem ke lu sìltsan.
Tsaw lu ngeyä tokx! Kawtu ke tsun nìmuiä 'ivampi ngat txo ngal ke new tsakemit.
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #137 on: July 06, 2010, 11:20:51 pm »
oe, moe, pxoe, and ayoe are the exclusive first person pronouns; ng is added to get oeng, pxoeng, and ayoeng, which are the inclusive first person pronouns. ng isn't something that's added to inclusive pronouns, because it's what makes a pronoun inclusive.

Right. I got it now. It was semantics. Thanks.
« Last Edit: July 06, 2010, 11:29:41 pm by NeuraltNätverk »
"Uhh ... we should put it out something that it likes and then when it comes to get it we can kill it."
"Oh yeah heh heh ... cool ... um heh ... what do flies like?"
"Uhh ... they like garbage and crap."
"Oh yeah yeah heh heh ... flies are pretty cool sometimes, yeah eh heh heh."

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #138 on: July 07, 2010, 11:17:26 am »
Error:

Trram oe t<ol>aron. Na oe t<arm>aron, oel ts<ol>e’a palulukanit. Oe txopu s<ol>i ha oe t<ol>ul neto. Tengkrr oe t<arm>ul, oel ts<ol>e’a futa Neytiri tsw<arm>ayon ulte oe poru sy<ol>aw. Po k<ol>kä ulte ‘awsiteng moe t<ol>ätxaw ne Kelutral.

Yesterday I hunted. As I was hunting, I saw a thanator. I was afraid, so I ran away. While I was running, I saw Neytiri flying and I called to her. She descended and together we returned to Hometree.

Na here is used incorrectly. It's translation is like, or as, not as a conjunction for a temporal clause. use tengkrr or krr a.

I also don't think that «ol» and «am» are exclusive as you seem to imply in the document. Perhaps state the opposite?

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #139 on: July 07, 2010, 11:21:58 am »
I'm glad my noobery was useful.
"Uhh ... we should put it out something that it likes and then when it comes to get it we can kill it."
"Oh yeah heh heh ... cool ... um heh ... what do flies like?"
"Uhh ... they like garbage and crap."
"Oh yeah yeah heh heh ... flies are pretty cool sometimes, yeah eh heh heh."

 

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