Na'vi in a Nutshell

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kewnya txamew'itan

Quote from: Taronyu on July 07, 2010, 11:17:26 AM
Error:

Trram oe t<ol>aron. Na oe t<arm>aron, oel ts<ol>e'a palulukanit. Oe txopu s<ol>i ha oe t<ol>ul neto. Tengkrr oe t<arm>ul, oel ts<ol>e'a futa Neytiri tsw<arm>ayon ulte oe poru sy<ol>aw. Po k<ol>kä ulte 'awsiteng moe t<ol>ätxaw ne Kelutral.

Yesterday I hunted. As I was hunting, I saw a thanator. I was afraid, so I ran away. While I was running, I saw Neytiri flying and I called to her. She descended and together we returned to Hometree.

Na here is used incorrectly. It's translation is like, or as, not as a conjunction for a temporal clause. use tengkrr or krr a.

I also don't think that «ol» and «am» are exclusive as you seem to imply in the document. Perhaps state the opposite?


I agree heartily with your <ol>/<am> statement ma Taronyu, in fact, there are few instances of <ol> here that, whilst not wrong, might be better as <am>, I'm thinking of "txopu si" and "tätxaw ne kelutral" particularly.
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NeotrekkerZ

Replaced na w/ tengkrr, added a paragraph about the two infixes not being exclusive (thanks for that by the way, it did read a bit biased).  I decided not to change txopu si and tätxaw, because, as you say, they're not wrong, and I'm using them there to demonstrate a point.  All will be included in the next update, which I'll post sometime next week.

Irayo to you both.
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Taronyu

Could you add a paragraph explaining the infix «alm»? I think that that infix says a lot, and would really solve the issue.

NeotrekkerZ

Do we have a canonical example of its usage?  I can't seem to find one.
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NeuraltNätverk

nouns ending in -ey take a genitive suffix -ä

I'm not sure that's made clear in the text
"Uhh ... we should put it out something that it likes and then when it comes to get it we can kill it."
"Oh yeah heh heh ... cool ... um heh ... what do flies like?"
"Uhh ... they like garbage and crap."
"Oh yeah yeah heh heh ... flies are pretty cool sometimes, yeah eh heh heh."

NeotrekkerZ

As y is a consonant, and as it takes the corresponding ending for a consonant, I did not feel the need to mention it.  But now that I think about it, the diphthongs and pseudovowels could be clarified a bit better, especially since they take -ä and not -yä.  Will be included in the update.
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kewnya txamew'itan

You might want to mention all the other endings for diphthongs (because those aren't easy to remember), it's -ìl, -it/-ti (not -t), -ru/-ur (not -r), and -ri (which is normal(ish)).
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NeuraltNätverk

Quote from: NeotrekkerZ on July 09, 2010, 02:08:52 AM
As y is a consonant, and as it takes the corresponding ending for a consonant, I did not feel the need to mention it.

Yes right. But it's part of a dipthong and as such one tends to think of it as a vowel
"Uhh ... we should put it out something that it likes and then when it comes to get it we can kill it."
"Oh yeah heh heh ... cool ... um heh ... what do flies like?"
"Uhh ... they like garbage and crap."
"Oh yeah yeah heh heh ... flies are pretty cool sometimes, yeah eh heh heh."

kewnya txamew'itan

The diphthongs are messy, I agree that you probably ought to say what their endings are. Pseudovowels on the other hand are easy, just say they count as consonants for the purposes of case endings.
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Muzer

Ke and kea need more emphasis
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[21:42:59] <@Muzer> now they are just expensive

Plumps

Quote from: NeotrekkerZ on July 08, 2010, 10:10:43 PM
Do we have a canonical example of its usage?  I can't seem to find one.

We do ;)

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NeotrekkerZ

Thanks for the example, ma Plumps.  I'll mention all the endings for the diphthongs in the next update.

QuoteKe and kea need more emphasis

One's an adverb, the other an adjective.  I don't really see an ambiguity.
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NeotrekkerZ

New update:  Version 2.3:  Created 7.4, LN 3.9, LN 4.5, LN 7.3, LN 9.2, LN 10.4.  Added info to 3.3, 5.9, appendix A.

I will be traveling throughout Europe for the next few weeks and will not have internet.  So regardless of how many new and exciting things come up, I probably won't be able to do the next update until mid or late August.
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Eana Tanhì

yeeey, new stuffs to learn... awesome  ;D irayo

have a good time in Europe ;)

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Toruk Makto

Version 2.3 is now linked on the main LN site.

Lì'fyari leNa'vi 'Rrtamì, vay set 'almong a fra'u zera'u ta ngrrpongu
Na'vi Dictionary: http://files.learnnavi.org/dicts/NaviDictionary.pdf

Ataeghane

Chapter 5.4. There is "srung si" used transitevely. I think it's an mistake. 'Oe zera'u fte oel srung si ngat'

Oer wivìntxu ngal oey keyeyt krr a tse'a sat. Frakrr.

NeotrekkerZ

You're right, will be fixed in next update.
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Taronyu

How about a table of the alphabetical terms? I have one in the dictionary, now.

Also, a noun template would be nice. Meaning: DEICTIC-PLURAL-NOMINALIZER-noun-DIMINUTIVES-CASE

I think that's the right template, not sure.

NeuraltNätverk

Quote from: Ataeghane on July 24, 2010, 04:45:19 AM
Chapter 5.4. There is "srung si" used transitevely. I think it's an mistake. 'Oe zera'u fte oel srung si ngat'

Damn. I just noticed that lol.
"Uhh ... we should put it out something that it likes and then when it comes to get it we can kill it."
"Oh yeah heh heh ... cool ... um heh ... what do flies like?"
"Uhh ... they like garbage and crap."
"Oh yeah yeah heh heh ... flies are pretty cool sometimes, yeah eh heh heh."

'Oma Tirea

So far, NiaN has been quite successful, although it would probably be even better if it were based upon this, which seems to have a lot less holes.  One of the holes I found from NiaN is that consonant clusters can only consist of {f, s, ts} + {px, tx, kx, p, t, k, r, l, y, w, m, n, ng, '}.  It's found on the main site, it's found in Horen leNa'vi, but not NiaN.  IMHO, it would be a good clarification.
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