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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #260 on: January 11, 2011, 06:17:13 am »
There was some discussion on sno by itself from here onwards, but at this point it's still at the educated guess level.

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #261 on: January 11, 2011, 09:23:11 am »
I deleted the original LN 1.1 as it was cumbersome and not completely valid.  In regards to the pronoun stuff, It'll be tweaked in v2.7.
Ok, when are you going to upload that 2.7?

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #262 on: January 11, 2011, 10:07:26 am »
There was some discussion on sno by itself from here onwards, but at this point it's still at the educated guess level.

nice find. I was looking for that. I thought we didn't know precisely what sno is yet. thanks for confirmation.

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #263 on: January 11, 2011, 10:51:30 pm »
There was some discussion on sno by itself from here onwards, but at this point it's still at the educated guess level.

Irayo, ma Lance.  I'll amend what I have to reflect that info.  I plan on releasing v2.7 this weekend, barring any major update that we learn.
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #264 on: January 12, 2011, 11:15:29 pm »
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I plan on releasing v2.7 this weekend, barring any major update that we learn.

Request:
I would like you to do a revision of Section 2.2 of NiaN.
Object: a) Typo (i -> ì)  b) Productivity

I think, this matter should have been discussed here earlier, but was too lazy to look all through the whole thread. If so, and you have already rejected this proposal: Oeru txoa livu!

Explanation (lengthy, so it's spoilered)

I also may give a suggestion ...

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #265 on: January 13, 2011, 06:44:54 am »
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I plan on releasing v2.7 this weekend, barring any major update that we learn.

Request:
I would like you to do a revision of Section 2.2 of NiaN.
Object: a) Typo (i -> ì)  b) Productivity

I think, this matter should have been discussed here earlier, but was too lazy to look all through the whole thread. If so, and you have already rejected this proposal: Oeru txoa livu!

Explanation (lengthy, so it's spoilered)

I also may give a suggestion ...

Kìyevame ta zineketaye

Interesting points. :) I'm also curious about that now, since I'm myself creating non existing tì- words! Would the same problem apply with -yu and -tu (performing an action from a verb or a noun), tì- + <us> ("ing" form of a verb) and si (paired with a noun to create a verb)?

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #266 on: January 13, 2011, 07:36:20 am »
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I plan on releasing v2.7 this weekend, barring any major update that we learn.

Request:
I would like you to do a revision of Section 2.2 of NiaN.
Object: a) Typo (i -> ì)  b) Productivity

I think, this matter should have been discussed here earlier, but was too lazy to look all through the whole thread. If so, and you have already rejected this proposal: Oeru txoa livu!

Explanation (lengthy, so it's spoilered)

I also may give a suggestion ...

Kìyevame ta zineketaye

Interesting points. :) I'm also curious about that now, since I'm myself creating non existing tì- words! Would the same problem apply with -yu and -tu (performing an action from a verb or a noun), tì- + <us> ("ing" form of a verb) and si (paired with a noun to create a verb)?

I do believe that the dictionary is quite concise when it comes to productivity of the derivationals. nowadays, i believe it just says it IS or IS NOT productive.

tìsusi is crazy... most of the time you can just use the noun without the si. it WAS said that tì-<us> is good on ALL verbs to create a gerund of it. si is strange. For now, IMO* I would say if your meaning is clear from just using the noun without si, then do so. if it is not the meaning you are goin for and you really need a gerund, use the tìsusi.

si verbs are interesting to use us and awn with.

lì'fya apamrel-sawni.

I'm not sure if NiaN already says this or not. it probably already does.

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #267 on: January 13, 2011, 12:25:59 pm »
Wasn't it said that tìsusi is illegal?

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #268 on: January 13, 2011, 04:50:09 pm »
Wasn't it said that tìsusi is illegal?

coulda swore it wasnt as of October 2nd 2010. but to be sure...

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #269 on: January 13, 2011, 06:39:25 pm »
Wasn't it said that tìsusi is illegal?

coulda swore it wasnt as of October 2nd 2010. but to be sure...

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It is in fact illegal: Refinements of si-construction verbs.  Just use the noun.
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #270 on: January 13, 2011, 06:41:30 pm »
Wasn't it said that tìsusi is illegal?

coulda swore it wasnt as of October 2nd 2010. but to be sure...

!summon wm.annis

It is in fact illegal: Refinements of si-construction verbs.  Just use the noun.

hey it worked! ;D

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yeah, that makes sense. tìsusi doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me anyway after some thought.
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #271 on: January 15, 2011, 05:32:14 am »
Interesting points. :) I'm also curious about that now, since I'm myself creating non existing tì- words! Would the same problem apply with -yu and -tu (performing an action from a verb or a noun), tì- + <us> ("ing" form of a verb) and si (paired with a noun to create a verb)?

I do believe that the dictionary is quite concise when it comes to productivity of the derivationals. nowadays, i believe it just says it IS or IS NOT productive.

But I think the dicitionary is both: too concise (i.e. shortened) and not concise (on the point) enough.

  • In the "concise" dictionary - as you access it from the homepage of learnnavi.org, the appendices are left out, including any information on this topic (productivity of the derivationals).
  • The complete dictionary nowadays has, as you said, just two divisions: productivity given YES / NO. Following KP in the source already cited, there is another degree (YES, under certain circumstances ...)

So, with the easily accessible "concise dictionary" being of no help, the other basic source NiaN should be (more) precise on it (than before). Just my thought ...
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #272 on: January 15, 2011, 11:50:45 am »
The new version is now up.  I tried to address all the concerns from pages 15 onward in this thread, but if I missed anything let me know.  I also created LN 3.11. 
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #273 on: January 23, 2011, 04:59:01 am »
Language Note #2.4 on page 4 still makes a reference to the old Language Note #1.1. The new LN #1.1 is about something else and it had me all confused until I found my old guide (Version 2.0).

Just wanted to thank you for this guide, it's really awesome. /hat off

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #274 on: January 25, 2011, 06:12:00 pm »
Thanks for the info, it will be fixed in the next version.
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #275 on: January 26, 2011, 01:41:07 am »
Almost done translating... You keep me busy upgrading it every time :P
Now I had to correct the thing from 2.6 into 2.7 so when I'm quick I can finish before you upload 2.8...

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #276 on: February 26, 2011, 02:54:19 am »
Irayo Tsmukan!!

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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #277 on: March 20, 2011, 09:23:10 am »
A few doubts/mistakes:

3.3 Possession
Palulukan has two stressed syllabes, I think it is wrong;

4.3 The Suffixes -ri and -ìri
I think it should be explained.

8.1.3 The Many Faces of fì’u
Maybe there could exist a better explanation. Maybe you could use the explanation here: http://forum.learnnavi.org/syntax-grammar/futa-or-fwa-tsni/.

8.1.4 Tsnì, The Other “That”
Actually, I don't think it is because they are intransitive. Intransitive verbs take "fwa". They are just two exceptions...


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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #278 on: March 26, 2011, 11:58:05 pm »
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3.3 Possession
Palulukan has two stressed syllabes, I think it is wrong;

Nope, I was corrected myself on it a few months ago and it is in the dictionary with the two stressed syllables.

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4.3 The Suffixes -ri and -ìri
I think it should be explained.

The original intent was to make this a guide to help people learn the main points about Na'vi.  The topical was at the time something that was not well understood and likely to cause confusion, hence why we chose to mention it, but not talk about it too much:  we wanted learners to focus on the agentive, patientive, etc.  While we have more special phrases and forms that use it now, I still do not see a reason to include it.  When the day comes when we know everything about it I will amend the section.

As for 8.1.3 and 8.1.4, I will have to get back to you.  The next two weeks are going to be some of the busiest of my life.  I'll take a look afterwards and probably release a new version with some new info and changes to these sections if needed.
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Re: Na'vi in a Nutshell
« Reply #279 on: March 27, 2011, 06:18:34 am »
Section 2.1

pizayu is wrong, the first syllable is only pi-
as well for (ay)fizayu

 

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