Prezi lessons

[Carborundum]

Omatikayaä is correct. If noun ends with a, ä, e, i or ì, it gets -yä suffix, but if ends with "ya" syllable, it gets only -ä suffix.

I'd like to see a quote from Dr. Frommer supporting that.

['Oma Tirea]

Omatikayaä is correct. If noun ends with a, ä, e, i or ì, it gets -yä suffix, but if ends with "ya" syllable, it gets only -ä suffix.

Interesting speculation...

*investigates*

EDIT: consider a noun like fpìlfya or lì'fya, which only has the regular -yä suffix.  Maybe it only occurs to proper names...

[Blue Elf]

EDIT: consider a noun like fpìlfya or lì'fya, which only has the regular -yä suffix.  Maybe it only occurs to proper names...

Yes, you are right, probably my grammar copy is outdated, changes occured during the time.... But Omatikayaä is considered to be an exception, I think it is still true

[Plumps]

I was searching high and low for the confirmation... Thanks to wm.annis, I found it again. It's HERE

One more inconsistency:

For bases in -a, the gen. was -yä in 3 cases (tompayä, Eywayä, tìska'ayä), but there was also Omatikayaä. I feel comfortable leaving that last word alone, as an exceptional form: *Omatikayayä doesn't seem stable--I can see yayä > yaä.

[Le'eylan]

Fixed that in NP8.
Added sìlpey and ätxäle as modal verbs, is that correct?

[Maweyatan]

Fixed that in NP8.
Added sìlpey and ätxäle as modal verbs, is that correct?

Hmmm...Sìlpey doesn't seem right to me. I thought the modal verbs were verbs that were followed by other verbs with the subjunctive. With sìlpey, tsnì is what gives the verbs followed by sìlpey the subjunctive.

[Carborundum]

I was searching high and low for the confirmation... Thanks to wm.annis, I found it again. It's HERE

One more inconsistency:

For bases in -a, the gen. was -yä in 3 cases (tompayä, Eywayä, tìska'ayä), but there was also Omatikayaä. I feel comfortable leaving that last word alone, as an exceptional form: *Omatikayayä doesn't seem stable--I can see yayä > yaä.

Fantastic! Another mystery resolved. Thank you Plumps!

Fixed that in NP8.
Added sìlpey and ätxäle as modal verbs, is that correct?

Hmmm...Sìlpey doesn't seem right to me. I thought the modal verbs were verbs that were followed by other verbs with the subjunctive. With sìlpey, tsnì is what gives the verbs followed by sìlpey the subjunctive.

Sìlpey and ätxäle si are indeed not modal. However, tsnì is not the cause of the subjunctive in the verbs following. In his most recent blog post, Dr. Frommer writes:

Set srefey oe tsnì tsampongu tätxaw maw txon'ong.
'I'm currently expecting the war party back after nightfall.'

So the reason is actually that all examples of tsnì up until now also use optative mood, which is the real cause for the subjunctive infix.

[nuby1]

Irayo Tsmuke!!

['Oma Tirea]

The -5 group (sì oe) found some keyey in NP #8 within the last hour:

Spoiler

Slide 9: Handwritten-style text: you misspelled Grace as Grave.

Slide 10: zawng was misspelled as zang.  Also, ye'rìn should have a grave i.

Slide 12: First example should use -l because new is transitive.  Intransitive modals include: tsun, zene, zenke, and var.  Kan and ftang aren't yet known for transitivity.

A general rule I have followed for modal verbs:
S Min Vin
S Min Vtr O-it
S Mtr Vin
S-ìl Mtr Vtr O-it

Basically, if the non-modal verb is transitive, the -it is needed, and if both verbs are transitive, both -ìl and -it are needed.

Slide 14: Handwritten-style text: you misspelled namew as nawew.  Also you should note that it is possible to use either <ìyev> or <iyev> and that either one may be used at the speaker's discretion.

Slide 16: Here's what confused our KSs: the way you worded the slide, you were basically saying that both <äp> and <eyk> make a verb intransitive ('upsi ).

Slide 18: tsnì was never mentioned above.  In addition, fte and fteke aren't modal verbs, but rather modal conjunctions.  You mention the modal verbs below, but you forgot about var and ftang.

[Le'eylan]

Spoiler

Slide 9: Handwritten-style text: you misspelled Grace as Grave.


Slide 10: zawng was misspelled as zang.  Also, ye'rìn should have a grave i.
Fixed

Slide 12: First example should use -l because new is transitive.  Intransitive modals include: tsun, zene, zenke, and var.  Kan and ftang aren't yet known for transitivity.

A general rule I have followed for modal verbs:
S Min Vin
S Min Vtr O-it
S Mtr Vin
S-ìl Mtr Vtr O-it
Tirea told me many many times that you don't use -l with new and another verb. Now I'm confused.

Basically, if the non-modal verb is transitive, the -it is needed, and if both verbs are transitive, both -ìl and -it are needed.

Slide 14: Handwritten-style text: you misspelled namew as nawew.  Also you should note that it is possible to use either <ìyev> or <iyev> and that either one may be used at the speaker's discretion.
Fixed

Slide 16: Here's what confused our KSs: the way you worded the slide, you were basically saying that both <äp> and <eyk> make a verb intransitive ('upsi ).
Fixed

Slide 18: tsnì was never mentioned above.  In addition, fte and fteke aren't modal verbs, but rather modal conjunctions.  You mention the modal verbs below, but you forgot about var and ftang.
Fixed

['Oma Tirea]

A general rule I have followed for modal verbs:
S Min Vin
S Min Vtr O-it
S Mtr Vin
S-ìl Mtr Vtr O-it
Tirea told me many many times that you don't use -l with new and another verb. Now I'm confused.

...and to add onto this confusion, lu fì'u amip I suspect new may actually be intransitive, slä nìngay oe ke omum.

Tatlam pìrezi tatsam...

['Oma Tirea]

Meanwhile...noticed this fìtrr...

Spoiler

NP9:

Slide 4: you mention that something like "ioang alehrrap" is incorrect.  Technically it is, it's just not used as much.

Slide 11: *occasions (misspelled)

[Le'eylan]

Spoiler

NP9:

Slide 4: you mention that something like "ioang alehrrap" is incorrect.  Technically it is, it's just not used as much.

Slide 11: *occasions (misspelled)
Fixed

[Le'eylan]

New, NP10

['Oma Tirea]

Txantsan, na frakrr

Spoiler: keyey ahol

Slide 10: quick clarification: octal numbers or not?

Slide 11: a couple of small typos: *pxisre+, *na'rìng, *'Rrta

[Le'eylan]

Txantsan, na frakrr

Spoiler: keyey ahol

Slide 10: quick clarification: octal numbers or not?

Slide 11: a couple of small typos: *pxisre+, *na'rìng, *'Rrta

Thank you, as always.
I'm just a bit confused concerning this º... >__<

['Oma Tirea]

I'm just a bit confused concerning this º... >__<

Basically, if it's by a number in Na'vi, it's an octal/Na'vi (base number.  Otherwise the number is interpreted as decimal/'Rrtan (base 10).

[Blue Elf]

I'm just a bit confused concerning this º... >__<

Basically, if it's by a number in Na'vi, it's an octal/Na'vi (base 8 ) number.  Otherwise the number is interpreted as decimal/'Rrtan (base 10).

maybe better is to diferentiate base 8/ base10 numbers by 0 prefix (I don't know how to write º), as used by programmers (srane, oe lu hapxì feyä  )
01 Na'vi(base 8 ) => 1 (base 10) 'aw
010 => 8 vol
012 => 10 volaw
020 => 16 mevol
0100 => 64 zam
etc.

['Oma Tirea]

(I don't know how to write º)

ALT+0186 in Windows (ALT+0176 if you're so strict about the degree sign being used instead )

[Nongyu te Syulang Swokioang'itan]

Wow, these are really good! Some of the words are kinda hard to guess, but I suppose difficulty is a part of a learning process Thank you fore these, they really are a boost for learning!