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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #80 on: September 21, 2010, 03:01:46 pm »
Recognised a … well, redundant listing in lesson 5b ;) ha, rä’ä tspang oet :P

The slide showing when to use -ti and -it, »s, ts, v, and z« are unnecessary to list because words are not allowed to end in these consonants anyway ;)


the irony of this redundancy report: DutchNavi alrady said this a few pages back. XD

XD ngaytxoa. fejl.
well that's fixed.

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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #81 on: September 21, 2010, 04:14:45 pm »
also a new prezi: Awnga leiu sanhì

Saw this on Facebook, loved it!
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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #82 on: September 21, 2010, 04:46:26 pm »
also a new prezi: Awnga leiu sanhì
Sìltsana pìrezi, ma Le'eylan

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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #83 on: September 21, 2010, 06:34:56 pm »

Ma Le'eylan,

You enchant us with your great Prezis about the Na'vi language.

But the Na'vi do not only have a great language but also a great culture. This post is a kind request to make your Prezis better match the Na'vi culture.

In the movie it is made clear that there is nothing that we have that they want. In Hell's Gate all required advanced technology for the humans (made up of machines without feelings) is provided by the RDA. In the forest all required advanced technology for the Na'vi (made up of beings with feelings) is provided by Eywa.

That is not to say that you can't or shouldn't use human objects in your Prezis (a large part of the movie is about the interaction between the Na'vi and the humans). But it is best not to have the Na'vi use human objects in a way that is against their culture and their way of thinking.

JC about the movie: "It's about understanding the other person from their own perspective"

Some examples should make it clearer I think:

The Na'vi eat their food fresh (like the fruit that Grace throws to Jake) or from a leaf: they do not need a plate. They prefer their own food over the food of the humans.

For humans being ready to run means having tied your shoes. The Na'vi prefer to walk on bare feet because that is one of the ways they connect with Eywa / with the network of energy that flows through all living things.

For the Na'vi, mating is a very intimate experience, only involving the two lovers and (the blessings of) Eywa. For them this heavenly conjoint experience is a natural bond, that is stronger than the dictates of culture. It is not based on artificial objects like rings or paperwork.

Sorewn and Prre'o love each other very much. That seems for me a great start for a story. On a fine day Prre'o goes away to get something to eat. Ok. Sorewn notices that Prre'o isn't around and gets distressed. Ok. But then something incredible happens: although Prre'o loves Sorewn very much it doesn't feel the distress of Sorewn and continues to eat. For a Na'vi that must be incomprehensible because on Pandora all life is connected especially there were the energy of love is strong.

CAMERON: “Avatar” is about the negative aspects of humanity and the positive aspects of humanity. When you look at the Na’vi, you see what we would like to think of ourselves as: noble people who are harmonious with nature and have a kind of spiritual basis to their life and a higher value system

I hope you can find ways to teach us Na'vi words (even words like txanew) and at the same time show the good qualities of the Na'vi that JC intended them to have.

JC: Do I think there’s hope that we can change? We have to change and we have to change fairly soon because the population’s growing rapidly. Industrial civilization is basically driving species into extinction at an unprecedented rate and we have to do something about it.

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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #84 on: September 22, 2010, 12:10:02 am »
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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #85 on: September 22, 2010, 12:30:49 am »

Ma Le'eylan,

You enchant us with your great Prezis about the Na'vi language.

But the Na'vi do not only have a great language but also a great culture. This post is a kind request to make your Prezis better match the Na'vi culture.

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I hope you can find ways to teach us Na'vi words (even words like txanew) and at the same time show the good qualities of the Na'vi that JC intended them to have.

I kinda worried something like this might eventually come your way, ma Le'eylan.  :-\

However, ma DutchNa'vi, as hard as Le'eylan is trying, 'Rrtan concepts will get it across to us as quickly as possible, and besides, IMHO most of the slide images used as word analogies aren't so bad.  Zerok, Ayoe kivame... frakrr!

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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #86 on: September 23, 2010, 08:33:51 am »
I feel I have to step in for Le’eylan here…

But the Na'vi do not only have a great language but also a great culture. This post is a kind request to make your Prezis better match the Na'vi culture.
Sure they do and we probably all were fascinated by it … but do we know about that, really? I don’t own the ASG, I don’t fully trust the pandorapedia-articles.

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That is not to say that you can't or shouldn't use human objects in your Prezis (a large part of the movie is about the interaction between the Na'vi and the humans). But it is best not to have the Na'vi use human objects in a way that is against their culture and their way of thinking.
Now, here is an interesting thought that goes into translation studies discourse… Ma DutchNavi, there are people here who are very much interested in the Na’vi culture, the tribe life and rituals – cf. the Culture Board of this forum.

But there are also people who are merely interested in the language… Of course, you can argue that language doesn’t come or can’t exist without culture or history for that matter (otherwise we wouldn’t have The Lord of the Rings) But then you could argue what in hell’sgate we are doing here all the time ;) We try to communicate with each other in Na’vi and the mere fact that we understand each other is because of learning tools like those by Le’eylan.
The fact that these concepts come across is living proof to me that the tools work and are helpful.

The Na'vi eat their food fresh (like the fruit that Grace throws to Jake) or from a leaf: they do not need a plate. They prefer their own food over the food of the humans.
I’m wondering, why do we have a word for ‘cook’, then? And who knows? Maybe the Na’vi would like our apples :P After all, export is booming, we’re eating fruit from all over the world ;)

For humans being ready to run means having tied your shoes. The Na'vi prefer to walk on bare feet because that is one of the ways they connect with Eywa / with the network of energy that flows through all living things.
Now, that is certainly true … but please think of the overall appearance of the prezis! You wouldn’t see a Palulukan with headphones either… :D Fluffy has become a kind of mascot. The prezis are supposed to make language learning fun! Part of what makes Le’eylan’s work so charming are these little blue representations of ayNa’vitsyìp

For the Na'vi, mating is a very intimate experience, only involving the two lovers and (the blessings of) Eywa. For them this heavenly conjoint experience is a natural bond, that is stronger than the dictates of culture. It is not based on artificial objects like rings or paperwork.
Certainly true but as far as I searched the data bases I have found nothing that would suggest that they would not value an object for its ceremonial purpose.

So much from me … I hope my point came across. ;)
Perhaps if we have more information on their culture there will be exclusive lessons about the Na’vi culture. IMO that would have to come from the people primarily interested in the culture, not the language ‘geeks’ ;)

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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #87 on: September 23, 2010, 09:13:19 am »
Agree.

As founder and admin (and researcher of sorts) of this project(experiment), The hypothesis was that direct association, polite encouraging correction, and immersion are the core principles and strategies of truly learning to speak and understand a language. The experiment is to test whether that is true vs. the traditional method of using NiaN and the Dictionary as textbooks and using JMemorize or something to memorize vocab and rules and just translate everything both ways.

So I recruited KS and ayNumeyu and we came together to learn in this way. The experiment's hypothesis included nothing of the Na'vi culture, as valuable as it may be to the influence on the language and its etymology and other things. it is an experiment on learning style preference/success rate. of course this experiment is not very valid on a scientific community level, but on my own personal level to prove a point that Slìmz, the co-founder made ages ago.

so in short, Project NgayNume is not responsible for teaching cultural aspects of the Na'vi society.

and as you know, there are two main groups of people on here: those that wish to use Na'vi as a practical means of communication, even(or especially) in the setting of Today's Terran society(i will call these realists) and those who believe the language should only reflect the way of life of the Na'vi of Pandora.(I will call these idealists) Project NgayNume is probably more biased on the realist side of the spectrum, although we do have quite the share of idealist students.

I say this: if you are an idealist, participate and keep up with the culture and nature boards to further your knowledge and share ideas about such and apply it and combine it with what you learn of the language. If you are a realist, use the language to communicate.

I don't believe that Le'eylan should have to go back and undo ALL the work she has done thus far. that is just rediculous. IMO, Using human and terran concepts and settings will be more practical and useful in learning these concepts. the association comes across much easier and clearer in a familiar setting, than in an unfamiliar one. IF we did have the prezis consistent with the Na'vi way of life, it would be quite difficult for the guys just coming in to even know what ANYTHING on the presentation is, much less the few words on the slide we want them to know. we would have much more explaining to do, and much of these things would have been covered on the culture board.

sorry for the long post, just trying to state my position as the creator of the project for which these presentations were actually made, although they are publically available for the world to use.

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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #88 on: September 24, 2010, 06:26:43 pm »
New prezi, nr 14
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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #89 on: September 24, 2010, 09:14:45 pm »
New prezi, nr 14

very nice. I can only guess how epic class was today. reports across the board "AWESOME"

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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #90 on: September 24, 2010, 11:46:46 pm »
New prezi, nr 14

very nice. I can only guess how epic class was today. reports across the board "AWESOME"

Teng.  I was out for the night :(

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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #91 on: September 28, 2010, 03:59:23 am »
Going to change soaiayä in 5 to something else, because of this:

Quote from: Naviteri
the genitive of soaia ‘family’ is irregular: soaiä (not *soaiayä)
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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #92 on: September 28, 2010, 05:18:18 am »
--noted. will change download link on projectngaynume.com when i get a chance.

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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #93 on: September 28, 2010, 09:50:36 am »
Ok, prezi 5 updated with new examples.  :D
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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #94 on: September 28, 2010, 10:52:21 am »
All Le'eylan Prezis on projectngaynume.com up to date.

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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #95 on: September 28, 2010, 10:59:21 am »
I have to say, Le'eylan, these Prezi's are wonderful. 

This is the same type of learning that Rosetta Stone does.  Adults tend to learn languages better if you immerse them in the language.  These Prezi's do exactly that!

Wonderful Job!!!
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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #96 on: September 28, 2010, 11:09:38 am »
Notice the absence of translation. ;) it is a value in the abstract of Project NgayNume.

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« Reply #97 on: September 28, 2010, 11:17:20 am »
Yeah, that's the idea behind Rosetta Stone.  They show you a picture of something and say the word in the language. 

Really a great job.  And also a great job understanding how adults learn languages!  That's not something everyone would really think of. 

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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #98 on: September 28, 2010, 12:21:18 pm »
Project NgayNume is(supposed to be) an experiment(for personal records) measuring the difference in learning and understanding the spoken and written Na'vi language, between using the traditional method (dict and NiaN memorization) vs. our experimental method (association, correction, immersion)

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Re: Prezi lessons
« Reply #99 on: September 30, 2010, 04:05:19 am »
Wonderful prezi's indeed: though I'd suggest splitting the Level1/ Level2 NgayNume prezi's, especially if the format of L2 continues like the first week:
with the prezi being a visual aide for a 2-way task (Which I really liked btw)
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