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The Na'vi Number System - v2.60
« on: December 03, 2012, 05:16:07 pm »
The Na'vi Number System

Preface:
Kaltxì ma smuktu!
I came up with the idea to write a little "How to use the Na'vi Number System". :)
I got everything from the Na'vi-German Dictionary, Na'vi - Grammar and Rules, and Horen Lì'fyayä leNa'vi then summarized here. :)
Here I discuss only the numerical system of the Na'vi language and I hope that this is clearly written.
This post is a translation of the German version (that I wrote).



The Na'vi knows an octal number system with the base eight.
Instead of numbers of the form of m x 10 + n, in Na'vi, one uses numbers of the form m x 8 + n. For example, 4 x 8 + 4 = 448.
3610 and 448 are equivalent.
Note: The subscript numbers indicate the base of the number system.

Let's start with the basic numbers of the Na'vi:

Basic Numbers

Number       Na’vi                Basic     Suffix
0kew   
1'aw  -aw
2muneme--mun
3pxeypxe--pey
4tsìngtsì--sìng
5mrrmrr--mrr
6pukappu--fu
7kinäki--hin
8vol (108)vo-
64zam (1008)za-
512vozam (10008)voza-
4096zazam (100008)zaza-


If you want to use numbers greater than eight, it is done as follows:

nine      volaw      vol + -aw      ->  8 + 1
tenvomunvo(l) + -mun->  8 + 2

Note: The l from vol falls off if the part after starts with a consonant.

A similar thing is done if you want to say numbers greater than fifteen.
In this case, the follownig scheme is used:
Basic + vol + Rest

thirty-two     tsìvoltsì- + volfour times 84 x 108
fifty-threepuvomrr      pu- + vo(l) + -mrr     six times 8 + 5     6 x 108 + 5

Here is a table:


Note: The m from zam falls off if the part after starts with a consonant.

In the table are also numbers greater than 6410. 6410 is equivalent to 1008.

sixty-fivezamaw      zam + -aw      6410 + 1    1008 + 1
sixty-eightzasìngza(m) + -sìng6410 + 41008 + 4


Big Numbers

Here is a table:


To write bigger numbers, uses the following scheme:
(prefix + zaza(m)) + (prefix + voza(m)) + (prefix + za(m)) + prefix + vo(l) + suffix.
Any part in parentheses can be omitted.





three-hundred-eighty-fourpuzampu- + zamseven times  64
38410 6008 6  x  10086  x  6410




In LearnNa'vi.org colors 6008 ( 6 * 8 * 8 ) + ( 0 * 8 ) + 0pu-zam




four-hundred-sixty-one  kizavomrr    ki- + za + vo + -mrr   seven times  64  +  8  +  5
46110 7158 7  x  100810857  x  64108105




In LearnNa'vi.org colors 7158 ( 7 * 8 * 8 ) + ( 1 * 8 ) + 5ki-za-vo-mrr




four-hundred-ninety-eightkizapuvomun  ki- + za + pu- + vo + -mun   seven times  64 + six times  8 + 2
49810 7628 7  x  10086  x  10827  x  64106  x  8102




In LearnNa'vi.org colours7628 ( 7 * 8 * 8 ) + ( 6 * 8 ) + 2ki-za-pu-vo-mun





If you want to try to say or write a greater number, it's not currently possible because a new word is needed for 32768 (1000008) and any higher power of 8.


Using The Numbers

The numbers are used as adjectives.
Examples:
5 trees --> mrra utral / utral amrr      -> Number + a <- which refers to the noun.
14 people --> vofua tawtute / tawtute avofu

And then we write it as a figure:
5 trees --> °5a utral / utral a5°      -> ° + digit + a <- which refers to the noun.
14 people --> °16a tawtute / tawtute a16°

The degree symbol ° indicates that the number means as octal, so as an alternative to the subscript 8 } X8.


Non-Na’vi Numbers

The Na'vi has two loanwords among its numbers from English. These would be 'eyt and nayn.
Use these not for counting (whoever does will be eaten by Palulukan!  :)), but as digits. For example, phone numbers, license plates, IDs, etc.


Ordinal Numbers

The ordinal numbers are formed by the suffix -ve.

See the table:



Repetitions

Number of repetitions (For ex. five times, seven times, etc.) expressed about the word alo,
which is used as a noun:

five times: alo amrr / mrra alo
six times: alo apukap / pukapa alo

This can also develop:
fifth time: alo amrrve / mrrvea alo
sixth time: alo apuve / puvea alo

Valid words:
   one time: 'awa alo / alo a'aw      (almost always shortened to 'awlo)
   two times: munea alo / alo amune   (almost always shortened to melo)
   three times: pxeya alo / alo apxey   (almost always shortened to pxelo)


Fractions

Fractions are formed with the help of -pxì,
except half and third.

halfmawlsixthpupxì
thirdpanseventhkipxì
fourthtsìpxìeighthvopxì
fifthmrrpxìninthvolawpxì

Special writing: mefan is two-thirds (Dual of pan).

Note: Fractions are treated as nouns

To make higher fractions, combine a number with a fraction. Note that you have to use the number like an adjective – so use a attribute.

munea mrrpxì - two fifths
kinäa vopxì - seven eighths


Useful Info
Here is a link to LearnNavi.org Numbers
A PDF file is attached at this post.

Now the PDF files are avaliablle at the LearnNavi.org website!
http://learnnavi.org/media/



Final word:
So, I hope that this post is helpful.
Sources: Dictionary: Na'vi - German, the Na'vi - Grammar and Rules and Horen Lì'fyayä leNa'vi

Please let me know if you find errors or have suggestions for improvement - Irayo!

- ta Tìtstewan



The Na'vi Number System - New! Version 2.60

Kaltxì ma smuke sì smukan!

So, a lots of hours of work, but is finished. :D
A complete reworked file. What were changed?

 ->
  • optimized structure
  • error fix
  • add complete reworked tables which is not integrated as an image. It is fully integreated into the document. (quiet good quality =))
  • add colors at the relevant parts for better understanding



https://forum.learnnavi.org/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=37
http://learnnavi.org/media/

I hope that this PDF file is helpful. Please let me know if you find errors or have suggestions for improvement - Irayo!

- ta Tìtstewan

‘Ivong Na’vi!



Edit:
Updated!

« Last Edit: February 25, 2016, 10:02:25 am by Tìtstewan »

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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2012, 05:41:45 pm »
Here is a table:
This doesn't work on all browsers. Like mine. (Stock browser on Galaxy Tab 10.1) or is it a malformed link?

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Following is a table:
This doesn't work on all browsers. Like mine. (Stock browser on Galaxy Tab 10.1) or is it a malformed link?

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Using The Numbers

The numbers are used as adjectives.
Examples:
5 trees --> mrra utral/utral amrr } number + a { which refers to the noun.
14 people --> vofua tawtute/tawtute avofu

And then we write it as a figure:
5 trees --> °5a utral/utral a5° } number + a { which refers to the noun.
14 people --> °16a tawtute/tawtute a16°

The degree symbol ° indicates that the number means as octal, so as an alternative to the subscript 8 } X8.
I don't understand the usage of "{" and "}" curly brackets here. :-\

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See the table:
This doesn't work on all browsers. Like mine. (Stock browser on Galaxy Tab 10.1) or is it a malformed link?

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Repetitions

Number of repetitions (For ex. five times, seven times, etc.) expressed about the word alo,
which is used as a noun:

five times: alo amrr  /  mrra alo
six times: alo apukap  /  pukapa alo

This can also develop:

fifth time: alo amrrve  /  mrrve alo
sixth time: alo apuve  /  puvea alo

The slash looked like italic letter lel. It may be good to put space to clarify.

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Attention!: 'awlo, melo and pxelo are exceptions!
Exceptions to what? AFAIK, alo a'aw, alo amune, and alo apxey, 'awa alo, munea alo, pxea alo are totally valid. Just not as common.




Utterly FANTASTIC, thorough guide to the Na'vi numbers. I always teach by lots of consecutive counting. People see the patterns after a while. :)

Also worth noting is the really really cool interactive page over at http//learnnavi.org/navi-numbers


EDIT: the table images work on Chrome for Android. Good work there. I think it doesn't work on my stock browser because of either some weird back end rendering failure or because they are large.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2012, 06:10:32 pm by Tirea Aean »

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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2012, 06:06:11 pm »
Kaltxì ma Tirea Aean

Please put the quoted images into a spoiler, so your post will be look a bit smaller. :)

This doesn't work on all browsers. Like mine. (Stock browser on Galaxy Tab 10.1) or is it a malformed link?
This doesn't work on all browsers. Like mine. (Stock browser on Galaxy Tab 10.1) or is it a malformed link?
This doesn't work on all browsers. Like mine. (Stock browser on Galaxy Tab 10.1) or is it a malformed link?
Don't worry, I will try to fix it.
I would use a html version first, but as "nomal" forum user it won't work. so I use a .jpg image.

I don't understand the usage of "{" and "}" curly brackets here. :-\
Hmm, I will change the symbols...

The slash looked like italic letter lel. It may be good to put space to clarify.
Will be fixed! :)

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Attention!: 'awlo, melo and pxelo are exceptions!
Exceptions to what? AFAIK, alo a'aw, alo amune, and alo apxey, 'awa alo, munea alo, pxea alo are totally valid. Just not as common.
You are right, but the piont there I meant, is the using like the example:
fifth time: alo amrrve / mrrve alo So people don't try to write this: alo 'awve etc.
And I don't read this this word in any book or so....
So I will use the valid word. :)



Utterly FANTASTIC, thorough guide to the Na'vi numbers. I always teach by lots of consecutive counting. People see the patterns after a while. :)
Its take over 3 hours to translate it into English and set the layout... :o But I think it would help people to understand this numeric system easier. :)

Also worth noting is the really really cool interactive page over at http//learnnavi.org/navi-numbers
Nice idea!

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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2012, 06:11:53 pm »
Yeah I really like this guide. It has a place as a PDF on LearnNavi.org/media and on the wiki too. :D seysonìltsan ma tsmuk!

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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2012, 06:16:25 pm »
Yeah I really like this guide. It has a place as a PDF on LearnNavi.org/media and on the wiki too. :D seysonìltsan ma tsmuk!
Kea tìkin. ;)
I will fix the errors and the image code, than I go to sleep. :) ;) ;D

Edit:

Ma Tirea Aean

I hope the tables are working now.

Now I go sleeping.
Txon lefpom, ma eylan!
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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2012, 12:49:46 am »
Ma Tirea Aean,

Yeah I really like this guide. It has a place as a PDF on LearnNavi.org/media and on the wiki too. :D seysonìltsan ma tsmuk!
I will create a PDF file of this today after work. :)

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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2012, 08:19:18 am »
Yep all the tables work :D looking forward to the PDF :) Irayo nìtxan.

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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2012, 09:52:54 am »
Very useful and nice done guide. :D
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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2012, 11:46:07 am »
So, there is it, the pdf file. :) ;) :D :-*
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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2012, 11:49:47 am »
Maybe it would be better if you'd edit your first post here and attach the .PDF-file to it, so one could find it in an instant ;) Just a little suggestion... ;D

Besides, thanks for this, very helpful :)

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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2012, 11:55:32 am »
Kaltxì ma Eana Unil

Maybe it would be better if you'd edit your first post here and attach the .PDF-file to it, so one could find it in an instant ;) Just a little suggestion... ;D

Besides, thanks for this, very helpful :)
Irayo for this tipp!
Done. :)

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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 01:02:27 pm »
So, there is it, the pdf file. :) ;) :D :-*
I don't see it. :( ??? :-\
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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2012, 01:03:26 pm »

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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2012, 02:28:45 pm »
Irayo! :D
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Re: The Na'vi Number System
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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2012, 08:26:59 pm »
Update:
Some errors corrected, so a new version: ;)
The_Na'vi_Number_System_v1.02
(---> look at the first post)
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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2012, 09:18:07 pm »
Update 2:
Some errors corrected, so a new version - again: ;)
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2012, 09:37:14 am »
Irayo! :)
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Re: The Na'vi Number System
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2012, 04:01:24 pm »
Irayo! :)
Kea tìkin :)

So I think it have no more errors. ;)

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It seems not. :)
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