Old English (Ænglisc)

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Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan

I'm just now beginning to learn this language, is anyone here knowledgable in this tricky, fun, and dead language? :D

Beowulf:  http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=172777

Hwæt, Ænglisc!


'Oma Tirea

How old of English is thou thinking?

...and wou, what a long poem :P

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Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan

I am thinking of the type that was around from 400 to 1200. :D

Yeah, slightly long poem.


wm.annis

What do you want to know about OE?  If you know German, you will find the grammar very familiar.  If you're not ready to go out and buy a book, Sweet's Anglo-Saxon Primer is a fine place to start.

Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan

Quote from: wm.annis on October 24, 2010, 10:01:19 AM
What do you want to know about OE?  If you know German, you will find the grammar very familiar.  If you're not ready to go out and buy a book, Sweet's Anglo-Saxon Primer is a fine place to start.
Oh, thanks.  I've gotten some from my library but I'll take a look at it.  The grammar does look like it, I just have trouble on the pronunciation of ð.


Kì'eyawn

Quote from: Tskalepä Tsamsiyu on October 24, 2010, 10:04:53 AM
...Oh, thanks.  I've gotten some from my library but I'll take a look at it.  The grammar does look like it, I just have trouble on the pronunciation of ð.

Isn't that the sound in "breathe"?
eo Eywa oe 'ia

Fra'uri tìyawnur oe täpivìng nìwotx...

Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan

Quote from: Kì'eyawn on October 24, 2010, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: Tskalepä Tsamsiyu on October 24, 2010, 10:04:53 AM
...Oh, thanks.  I've gotten some from my library but I'll take a look at it.  The grammar does look like it, I just have trouble on the pronunciation of ð.

Isn't that the sound in "breathe"?
Ah, that sounds like a good example. :D


Kì'eyawn

#7
Fwa tsamatsun oe srung sivi oeru prrte' lu*.
eo Eywa oe 'ia

Fra'uri tìyawnur oe täpivìng nìwotx...

'Oma Tirea

Quote from: Tskalepä Tsamsiyu on October 24, 2010, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: Kì'eyawn on October 24, 2010, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: Tskalepä Tsamsiyu on October 24, 2010, 10:04:53 AM
...Oh, thanks.  I've gotten some from my library but I'll take a look at it.  The grammar does look like it, I just have trouble on the pronunciation of ð.

Isn't that the sound in "breathe"?
Ah, that sounds like a good example. :D

Sran, Þ/þ is the letter Thorn, which is the "th" in modern English "thin", and Ð/ð is the letter Eth (Edh), which is the "th" in modern English "this".  These letters are still used today in Icelandic.

Now if only it was a bit easier to figure out the sound correspondence of Æ/æ and Œ/œ, and maybe even a few other letters....

[img]http://swokaikran.skxawng.lu/sigbar/nwotd.php?p=2b[/img]

ÌTXTSTXRR!!

Srake serar le'Ìnglìsìa lì'fyayä aylì'ut?  Nari si älofoniru rutxe!!

Lisa


This was linked on the Making Light blog sidebar, and I thought it quite timely:

Ænglisc Ƿikipǣdia.    :)




Oeru syaw "Tirea Ikran" kop slä frakrrmi layu oe "Grammar Skxawng"   :)

abi

Quote from: Sxkxawng alu 'Oma Tirea on October 25, 2010, 12:31:05 AM
Quote from: Tskalepä Tsamsiyu on October 24, 2010, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: Kì'eyawn on October 24, 2010, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: Tskalepä Tsamsiyu on October 24, 2010, 10:04:53 AM
...Oh, thanks.  I've gotten some from my library but I'll take a look at it.  The grammar does look like it, I just have trouble on the pronunciation of ð.

Isn't that the sound in "breathe"?
Ah, that sounds like a good example. :D

Sran, Þ/þ is the letter Thorn, which is the "th" in modern English "thin", and Ð/ð is the letter Eth (Edh), which is the "th" in modern English "this".  These letters are still used today in Icelandic.

Now if only it was a bit easier to figure out the sound correspondence of Æ/æ and Œ/œ, and maybe even a few other letters....

/ð/ is an allophone of /θ/ between vowels, so þ/ð is pronounced as "thin" at the beginning/end of words, and as "then" between vowels.

'Oma Tirea

Quote from: abi on October 25, 2010, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: Sxkxawng alu 'Oma Tirea on October 25, 2010, 12:31:05 AM
Quote from: Tskalepä Tsamsiyu on October 24, 2010, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: Kì'eyawn on October 24, 2010, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: Tskalepä Tsamsiyu on October 24, 2010, 10:04:53 AM
...Oh, thanks.  I've gotten some from my library but I'll take a look at it.  The grammar does look like it, I just have trouble on the pronunciation of ð.

Isn't that the sound in "breathe"?
Ah, that sounds like a good example. :D

Sran, Þ/þ is the letter Thorn, which is the "th" in modern English "thin", and Ð/ð is the letter Eth (Edh), which is the "th" in modern English "this".  These letters are still used today in Icelandic.

Now if only it was a bit easier to figure out the sound correspondence of Æ/æ and Œ/œ, and maybe even a few other letters....

/ð/ is an allophone of /θ/ between vowels, so þ/ð is pronounced as "thin" at the beginning/end of words, and as "then" between vowels.


Right, because it was before the "then-thyn" split.  Good catch.

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ÌTXTSTXRR!!

Srake serar le'Ìnglìsìa lì'fyayä aylì'ut?  Nari si älofoniru rutxe!!

Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan

Quote from: Sxkxawng alu 'Oma Tirea on October 25, 2010, 05:35:43 PM
Quote from: abi on October 25, 2010, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: Sxkxawng alu 'Oma Tirea on October 25, 2010, 12:31:05 AM
Quote from: Tskalepä Tsamsiyu on October 24, 2010, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: Kì'eyawn on October 24, 2010, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: Tskalepä Tsamsiyu on October 24, 2010, 10:04:53 AM
...Oh, thanks.  I've gotten some from my library but I'll take a look at it.  The grammar does look like it, I just have trouble on the pronunciation of ð.

Isn't that the sound in "breathe"?
Ah, that sounds like a good example. :D

Sran, Þ/þ is the letter Thorn, which is the "th" in modern English "thin", and Ð/ð is the letter Eth (Edh), which is the "th" in modern English "this".  These letters are still used today in Icelandic.

Now if only it was a bit easier to figure out the sound correspondence of Æ/æ and Œ/œ, and maybe even a few other letters....

/ð/ is an allophone of /θ/ between vowels, so þ/ð is pronounced as "thin" at the beginning/end of words, and as "then" between vowels.


Right, because it was before the "then-thyn" split.  Good catch.



What split is this? :o  Does it have anything to do with the great vowel shift?


Taronyu

Ah, Old English. My old friend.

'Oma Tirea

Quote from: Tskalepä Tsamsiyu on October 25, 2010, 06:28:25 PM
Quote from: Sxkxawng alu 'Oma Tirea on October 25, 2010, 05:35:43 PM
Quote from: abi on October 25, 2010, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: Sxkxawng alu 'Oma Tirea on October 25, 2010, 12:31:05 AM
Quote from: Tskalepä Tsamsiyu on October 24, 2010, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: Kì'eyawn on October 24, 2010, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: Tskalepä Tsamsiyu on October 24, 2010, 10:04:53 AM
...Oh, thanks.  I've gotten some from my library but I'll take a look at it.  The grammar does look like it, I just have trouble on the pronunciation of ð.

Isn't that the sound in "breathe"?
Ah, that sounds like a good example. :D

Sran, Þ/þ is the letter Thorn, which is the "th" in modern English "thin", and Ð/ð is the letter Eth (Edh), which is the "th" in modern English "this".  These letters are still used today in Icelandic.

Now if only it was a bit easier to figure out the sound correspondence of Æ/æ and Œ/œ, and maybe even a few other letters....

/ð/ is an allophone of /θ/ between vowels, so þ/ð is pronounced as "thin" at the beginning/end of words, and as "then" between vowels.


Right, because it was before the "then-thyn" split.  Good catch.



What split is this? :o  Does it have anything to do with the great vowel shift?

Not really.  The split came right before the great vowel shift, and probably after the time period mentioned on the second post of this thread.  It was likely some special sandhi development....

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ÌTXTSTXRR!!

Srake serar le'Ìnglìsìa lì'fyayä aylì'ut?  Nari si älofoniru rutxe!!

Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan

Quote from: Sxkxawng alu 'Oma Tirea on October 27, 2010, 01:17:04 AM
Not really.  The split came right before the great vowel shift, and probably after the time period mentioned on the second post of this thread.  It was likely some special sandhi development....

Oh, hmm,...I need to look up some more of this stuff now. ;D