What's YOUR Na'vi dialect?

Started by Irtaviš Ačankif, April 13, 2012, 09:32:36 AM

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Irtaviš Ačankif

Well, nobody actually pronounces Na'vi exactly to the IPA every time they read, right? Of course you can clearly articulate every sound, but most people have quirks when it comes to pronunciation. For example, Frommer often tends to make the ä sound closer to [ɛ] and the e sound closer to [e] when talking quickly. What's your Na'vi dialect?

Sample sentence: Kehe, ma aysmuk! Oe ke perlltxe nìNa'vi nìngay. Perlltxeie oel aylì'ut lì'fyayä leskxawng!
Standard pronunciation: [ˈkɛ.hɛ ma tsmuk ˈoɛ kɛ pɛɾllˈtʼɛ nɪˈnaʔvi nɪˈŋaj pɛɾllˈtʼɛiɛ wɛl ajˈlɪʔut ˈlɪʔfya lɛˈskʼawŋ]
My pronunciation: [ˈke.ɦe ma tsmuk ˈoɛ ke pɛɾllˈtʼe nɨˈnaʔvi nɨˈŋaj pɛɾllˈtʼɛie wɛl ajˈlɪʔut ˈlɪʔfya ləˈskʼæwŋ]
Previously Ithisa Kīranem, Uniltìrantokx te Skxawng.

Name from my Sakaš conlang, from Sakasul Ältäbisäl Acarankïp

"First name" is Ačankif, not Eltabiš! In Na'vi, Atsankip.

Eana Unil

Tsaw oeyä eltur tìtxen si nìtxan...

I'm still a beginner regarding pronouncing Na'vi and still got my problems with ɪ and r, but I guess that my pronunciation sounds like this (in my best moments)...

[ˈkɛ.hɛ ma smuk ˈoɛ kɛ pɛɾllˈtʼɛ nɪˈnaʔvi nɪˈŋaj pɛɾllˈtʼɛiɛ wɛl ajˈlɪʔut ˈlɪʔfjajæ lɛˈskʼauŋ]

:-\

Niri Te

#2
 Due to the brain injury that I suffered in 1970 slowly encroaching on the speech control circuits in my brain, I do not pick up different pronunciations well anymore, but thankfully Na'vi is very close Samoan according to Tirea Aean, and I speak Samoan well, so I guess you could say that I speak the dialect of the clans that live on islands out in the eastern Sea that have yet to be met in the movies.
Niri Te
Tokx alu tawtute, Tirea Le Na'vi

Sìkat

I frequently have trouble with ng and trilling my r's, and don't even ask me to try to pronounce "meoauniaea" ;)  Whether this counts as an upstate New York dialect would probably require a linguist to determine.

To be honest, however, I haven't practiced much speaking...

'Onatxan te Skxawng Tìrey'itan

i think i put to much emphasis on tx, kx, and px. and i have a tendency to pronounce "kaltxì" as "kaltxe". and i still don't really understand how to pronounce "r"s.
i feel i speak with an odd mix between a spanish, american, chinese, and hebrew accents.
Nga txo ke flä nìsngä'i, rä'ä kivä Eywa'evengne! ;)

Niri Te

  Because of the neurological damage to me, while I have no problem in pronouncing single "R"'s, as I do it the way Germans do it. I got so comfortable with it, that I do it 60 percent of the time when I speak English, or read from the Siddur. My biggest problem with Na'vi is when I speak the "RR" sound. Because of my loss of control over my tongue for learning new sounds, I make a "Purring sound" in the back of my mouth, and can do it as quickly as when I say anything else in Na'vi. My insistence on "going with what I know", and staying with Samoan pronunciations for my Na'vi. I even do that in English if I am reading aloud, but not if in conversation.
Niri Te
Tokx alu tawtute, Tirea Le Na'vi

Irtaviš Ačankif

I don't have neurological damage, but I also can't pronounce the rr correctly. I usually try to avoid rr when writing Na'vi too, just so that I won't sound stupid reading it  :P

BTW single Rs are not pronounced as in German. If you can pronounce the Bavarian German single R, just lengthen it into rr. The single R is pronounced as in the Samoan word lauga but not in the word maile.
Previously Ithisa Kīranem, Uniltìrantokx te Skxawng.

Name from my Sakaš conlang, from Sakasul Ältäbisäl Acarankïp

"First name" is Ačankif, not Eltabiš! In Na'vi, Atsankip.

Irtaviš Ačankif

BTW I'm not talking about learner errors, but rather idiosyncrasies you purposely use. I think 'Oma Tirea once said something about the
  • /[h] allophony in her Na'vi...
Previously Ithisa Kīranem, Uniltìrantokx te Skxawng.

Name from my Sakaš conlang, from Sakasul Ältäbisäl Acarankïp

"First name" is Ačankif, not Eltabiš! In Na'vi, Atsankip.

Niri Te

Quote from: Uniltìrantokx te Skxawng on April 13, 2012, 08:11:19 PM
I don't have neurological damage, but I also can't pronounce the rr correctly. I usually try to avoid rr when writing Na'vi too, just so that I won't sound stupid reading it  :P

BTW single Rs are not pronounced as in German. If you can pronounce the Bavarian German single R, just lengthen it into rr. The single R is pronounced as in the Samoan word lauga but not in the word maile.

  When I lived in Germany, I worked in Munich, and lived south of there in Bad Tolz, so I have no problem with Bavarian, it's actually what I prefer to speak instead of "high German".
  As far as my Samoan pronunciation, I like the way that the Na'vi sounds and feels coming out of my mouth, so I stay with it. I have enough of a problem with the Grammar, so I leave my diction alone just the way that it is.
  Did you ever spend any time in the South Pacific? I am guessing that you are a natural linguist, but wonder where you picked up on the Samoan.
Niri Te
 
Tokx alu tawtute, Tirea Le Na'vi

Irtaviš Ačankif

Wikipedia  ;D I know stuff about much more languages than I speak. For example, I understand how the funny Irish spelling system works though I've never spoken a word of Irish...and I've never been in Samoa (though I've been to Hawaii, and Hawaiian has a really butchered phonology if you ask me)
Previously Ithisa Kīranem, Uniltìrantokx te Skxawng.

Name from my Sakaš conlang, from Sakasul Ältäbisäl Acarankïp

"First name" is Ačankif, not Eltabiš! In Na'vi, Atsankip.

Stranger Come Knocking

Hooray for the Michigan dialect! ;D Yeah, regardless of what any teacher or guide says, I always end up doing the following:

oe = we (never oh-eh)
tx = teh
kx = kuh
px = pih
' = not so much pronunciation, but it always gives me the sensation of really needing to swallow. o0
I will not die for less
I dug my grave in this
Will I go before I fall
Or live to slight the odds?

These are my books.  You should check it out.  Speculative sci-fi murder mystery historical fiction.

Ningey

I actually don't know what my accent would be, because my pronunciation is still shifting somewhat. However, an accent as can be heard in Hamburg could persist and find its way into my spoken Na'vi.


"Sawtute ke tsun nivume - fo ke kerame!"
-- Neytiri te Tskaha Mo'at'ite

"There are two things that are infinite: Human stupidity and the universe. However, I'm not yet sure about the universe."
-- Albert Einstein

"He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither and loses both."
-- Benjamin Franklin

Niri Te


I think that the presence of slight differences in pronunciation, based upon where on this planet the person in question learned to speak, is one of the things that makes it TRULY ALIVE. I think that each of us ought to try to come as close as is practical, given our language histories, but once you get close without being intentionally sloppy, just roll with the flow, and speak it.
Niri Te
Tokx alu tawtute, Tirea Le Na'vi

Kamean

I pronounces Na'vi exactly to the IPA.
And I don't have troubles with rr, beсause the same sound, only slightly shorter, appeares in Rusian. It's my native language.
Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


Stranger Come Knocking

Quote from: Kamean on April 14, 2012, 05:48:49 PM
I pronounces Na'vi exactly to the IPA.
And I don't have troubles with rr, beсause the same sound, only slightly shorter, appeares in Rusian. It's my native language.

Show-off. >_>
I will not die for less
I dug my grave in this
Will I go before I fall
Or live to slight the odds?

These are my books.  You should check it out.  Speculative sci-fi murder mystery historical fiction.

Kamean

Quote from: Stranger Come Knocking on April 16, 2012, 07:02:24 PM
Quote from: Kamean on April 14, 2012, 05:48:49 PM
I pronounces Na'vi exactly to the IPA.
And I don't have troubles with rr, beсause the same sound, only slightly shorter, appeares in Rusian. It's my native language.

Show-off. >_>
Agree :)
Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


Niri Te

Quote from: Kamean on April 17, 2012, 10:39:50 AM
Quote from: Stranger Come Knocking on April 16, 2012, 07:02:24 PM
Quote from: Kamean on April 14, 2012, 05:48:49 PM
I pronounces Na'vi exactly to the IPA.
And I don't have troubles with rr, beсause the same sound, only slightly shorter, appeares in Rusian. It's my native language.

Show-off. >_>
Agree :)
Well EVERYONE is really good at something, so for those of us that are not as linguistically proficient as Kamean, are better at something else.
Niri Te
Tokx alu tawtute, Tirea Le Na'vi

Alyara Arati

Quote from: Kamean on April 14, 2012, 05:48:49 PM
I pronounces Na'vi exactly to the IPA.
And I don't have troubles with rr, beсause the same sound, only slightly shorter, appeares in Rusian. It's my native language.
NOT Latvian !?! :o

OT: I tend to understate my ejectives and "ey" my "e"s, which I'm working on, but not hard.  My hope is that someday I will have a mate into whose ear I can whisper nìNa'vi... :-*
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Kamean

Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


Niri Te


OT:   My hope is that someday I will have a mate into whose ear I can whisper nìNa'vi... :-*
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  AN easy way to prescreen all prospective candidates is great everyone with "Oel ngati kameie" and see who answers you.
Niri Te
Tokx alu tawtute, Tirea Le Na'vi