The Lord of the Rings trilogy

[Eana Tanhì]

I watched last part yesterday and once again I convinced myself that LOTR is AWESOME

[Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan]

You guys can't leave out the City on the Isen River! HRH

[Ftxavanga Txe′lan]

I watched last part yesterday and once again I convinced myself that LOTR is AWESOME

'Awesome' isn't even strong enough to describe the epicness of it, indeed. I also recently finished watching the films again, and I really feel like starting the trilogy once more! ><

You guys can't leave out the City on the Isen River! HRH

I'm thinking hard about this but can't determine the exact city that you're mentioning, ma Tsäroltxe! What is it? After a quick research, I could only come up with Isengard, but it's not a city, so..

[Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan]

Yeah, I meant Isengard...going by what "gard" means. HRH

[Nyx]

I watched last part yesterday and once again I convinced myself that LOTR is AWESOME

As if one would expect anything else

[Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan]

I watched last part yesterday and once again I convinced myself that LOTR is AWESOME

As if one would expect anything else

Sure you could...it could be EXTREMELY AWESOME!!!!!

You changed your pic Nyx.

[Ftxavanga Txe′lan]

Yeah, I meant Isengard...going by what "gard" means. HRH

Ahh right, okay. Juhu, so I had well guessed!

I actually can't understand at all when someone tells me he doesn't like LotR at all. I know everyone has different tastes, but for me it's simply nonsense! And I say to the people who haven't watched the films or read the books yet (!!!) that they ought to do that at an absolute cost.

[Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan]

Yeah, I meant Isengard...going by what "gard" means. HRH

Ahh right, okay. Juhu, so I had well guessed!

I actually can't understand at all when someone tells me he doesn't like LotR at all. I know everyone has different tastes, but for me it's simply nonsense! And I say to the people who haven't watched the films or read the books yet (!!!) that they ought to do that at an absolute cost.

Sran, nice guess there.

Yeah, I can't understand that either!! I mean, who can't not like a world full of awesomeness and epicness?!!!!

[Ku'rända]

So then Minas Morgul? I don't think we can still call it Minas Ithil after that it's been taken by the Nazgûls, can we?

It's -was- in control of them, but I'd think that with the Witch-king's death, there wouldn't be anyone left to control it, and it'd revert back into Man's control?

[Hufwe Atxur]

Wasn't Minas Morgul destroyed afterwards? I think I read similar in the affixes to Lord of the Rings.

[Ftxavanga Txe′lan]

So then Minas Morgul? I don't think we can still call it Minas Ithil after that it's been taken by the Nazgûls, can we?

It's -was- in control of them, but I'd think that with the Witch-king's death, there wouldn't be anyone left to control it, and it'd revert back into Man's control?

Ah, quite good point! I was thinking only in regards of the time of the War of the Ring, and shouldn't have.

According to this Wikipedia passage, Hufwe Atxur is right though!

After the War of the Ring, when Aragorn was crowned as King Elessar, he made Faramir the Prince of Ithilien. Faramir made his abode in the Emyn Arnen, southeast of Minas Tirith, and ruled from there with his new bride, Éowyn. At his coronation, King Elessar also decreed that Minas Ithil in the Morgul Vale be utterly destroyed and cleansed, and no man would be allow to live there for seven years, and maybe more, depending on the evil influence of the haunted city. It has not been made known whether Minas Ithil and Osgiliath were ever rebuilt, as the major population of Ithilien became based around Emyn Arnen.

[Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan]

So then Minas Morgul? I don't think we can still call it Minas Ithil after that it's been taken by the Nazgûls, can we?

It's -was- in control of them, but I'd think that with the Witch-king's death, there wouldn't be anyone left to control it, and it'd revert back into Man's control?

Ah, quite good point! I was thinking only in regards of the time of the War of the Ring, and shouldn't have.

According to this Wikipedia passage, Hufwe Atxur is right though!

After the War of the Ring, when Aragorn was crowned as King Elessar, he made Faramir the Prince of Ithilien. Faramir made his abode in the Emyn Arnen, southeast of Minas Tirith, and ruled from there with his new bride, Éowyn. At his coronation, King Elessar also decreed that Minas Ithil in the Morgul Vale be utterly destroyed and cleansed, and no man would be allow to live there for seven years, and maybe more, depending on the evil influence of the haunted city. It has not been made known whether Minas Ithil and Osgiliath were ever rebuilt, as the major population of Ithilien became based around Emyn Arnen.

Nooooo..I liked the glowing evil city. HRH

[Ku'rända]

So then Minas Morgul? I don't think we can still call it Minas Ithil after that it's been taken by the Nazgûls, can we?

It's -was- in control of them, but I'd think that with the Witch-king's death, there wouldn't be anyone left to control it, and it'd revert back into Man's control?

Ah, quite good point! I was thinking only in regards of the time of the War of the Ring, and shouldn't have.

According to this Wikipedia passage, Hufwe Atxur is right though!

After the War of the Ring, when Aragorn was crowned as King Elessar, he made Faramir the Prince of Ithilien. Faramir made his abode in the Emyn Arnen, southeast of Minas Tirith, and ruled from there with his new bride, Éowyn. At his coronation, King Elessar also decreed that Minas Ithil in the Morgul Vale be utterly destroyed and cleansed, and no man would be allow to live there for seven years, and maybe more, depending on the evil influence of the haunted city. It has not been made known whether Minas Ithil and Osgiliath were ever rebuilt, as the major population of Ithilien became based around Emyn Arnen.

Nooooo..I liked the glowing evil city. HRH

I shall need to procure a new source for my tritium keychains now..!

[Nyx]

Not to interrupt, but...

Spoiler

carry on now

[Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan]

Not to interrupt, but...

Spoiler

carry on now

Yumyumyum!

[Ftxavanga Txe′lan]

Not to interrupt, but...

Spoiler

carry on now

HRH I like that! It would be interesting to taste lembas! Or to actually have any such food that can give you energy for hours in one bite. :3

[Lance R. Casey]

Besides, I've been wondering lately if we can actually call Minas Ithil Minas Isil. Does someone know the answer to that, too? I think it might be a bit strange, though - a word in Quenya with one in Sindarin.

This is actually a multi-layered question.

For one thing, the shift þ > s occured in Noldorin Quenya, though resisted by Fëanor himself, whereas the Vanyarin dialect retained the original sibilant, so ithil (or iþil) may actually be a Quenya word too -- just not the exact kind of Quenya we encounter in the Middle-Earth narratives (the primitive roots THIL- and SIL- are variants of each other, even though there are no notes of Quenya derivations of the former). To delve further into the issue, the Noldorin shift has implications for Tengwar renditions. The standard Quenya mode has a tengwa reserved for [þ] and another one for [s] (well, actually two, since there is an inverted variant to go with tehtar), but after the shift the tengwa thúlë came to be called súlë and represented /s/ where it had developed from /þ/, whereas silmë represented a sound that had been [s] all along. Easy, eh?

Secondly, there are some names in the published works which cannot be completely explained from their etymological environment. Arnor ("Royal Land") is one such example: were this wholly Sindarin in nature one would have expected to see Ardor, but instead we see a Quenya form (< nórë) appear. Tolkien notes in a letter (#347 for those in possession of The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien) that 1) he invented a very large number of names over a long period of time and that every phonological detail was not always clear to him 2) he chose to retain Arnor over the "proper" Ardor intentionally because he liked the former better 3) the final form can be explained as a blending of the Q. and S. forms, thus preserving the in-universe integrity of the name, so to speak.

[Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan]

Oh, this is cool.   I still need to get working on Quenya to have this make more sense though.

[Ftxavanga Txe′lan]

Very great explanation, ma Lance, and thank you very much for all these fascinating details! I wasn't hoping that anyone would answer my question anymore. I believe I understand the point you are making. I totally love that there is such an historical and cultural context intertwining both Quenya and Sindarin - it makes their study much richer, and also easier and yet somewhat more complex. I find words like Arnor awesome just because they express that tight relation between S and Q so well!

I still need to get working on Quenya to have this make more sense though.

Yah! *nods* :33

[Tsäroltxe te Eyrutì Tantse'itan]

Now to revive this:  What is everyone's favourite battle out of the three films?