"....ikran will fly with only one hunter in the whole life."

Started by Ekirä, April 26, 2010, 04:57:52 PM

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Ekirä

So, what happens if you're a Na'vi, you've just got your ikran and your younger brother wants to try flying it. Without your permission, he makes tsaheylu with your ikran.

Does the ikran just disobey him when he gives flying directions? Or are there more dire consequences?  :P

Neytiri says the ikran will only fly with one hunter in their whole life, but she doesn't say what happens if someone tries to fly with an ikran that has already been flown by someone else.

Does anyone have any ideas what happens?  ???

Sorry if this topic already came up before, I didn't see it  ::)

Rikxyu

Younger brother = ikran food.  ;D

Seriously, this is a good question. I would say either:
A. See above
B. The ikran doesn't listen.
C. No Na'vi would do that anyway out of respect for the ikran itself.

Anybody else?
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I would think that if the ikran is in the tree tops the younger brother couldn't get to it even if he wanted to. And if he did i would guess the ikran wouldn't listen and probably attack him.
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Judging from Neytiri's telling Jake ti not look in her eyes, I would say that anyone else would get chomped.

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Yeah, I agree. Pretty likely they'd get bit, at the least.

Quote from: Txepsiyu on April 26, 2010, 09:50:00 PM
Judging from Neytiri's telling Jake ti not look in her eyes, I would say that anyone else would get chomped.
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the Ikran would probably see them as a threat and attack them.
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I agree that younger brother would become ikran yoms or that the ikran would fly off first
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This makes me wonder if there is a specific age when tsaheylu can be done at.
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When Jake was looking for his Ikran in the mountains Jake couldn't get near any of the Ikrans, they just flew away, until he approached the chosen one that tried to kill him. Soo I suspect that an interloper would be unable to even get close enough to make a bond, the Ikran would just fly away.

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Seeing as the na'vi also have a strong taboo on making tsaheylu to another person's mate as well as their ikran I imagine that there certainly dire consequences to making tsaheylu to an intelligent creature that's already had tsaheylu made to it by another.

The way I see it though, I imagine that this dire consequence is more likely to be a ton of psychological damage than anything else.

When I make tsaheylu to my ikran, our two minds think as one and so part of my personality will inevitably rub off on my ikran and part of its on mine, as time goes on this probably strengthens until it reaches the stage when it becomes pointless to distinguish between them as two separate sentiences but rather one that often travels in two separate bodies.

If I then make tsaheylu to someone else's ikran my mind would be flooded by its memories of its rider's actions which would have been distorted into something the ikran could make sense of, because these specific memories of the other rider would be alien as a result of having been kept in the ikran they would make no sense to the person making tsaheylu to the ikran, possibly to the extent of driving the new tsaheylusiyu to be driven insane (along with the ikran).

Likewise, with the na'vi mating for life, making tsaheylu to someone else's mate would certainly be an unfulfilling experience as the entire time you wouldn't just think, but would know they were thinking of someone else. This would lead to a confusion over your own identity as in the part of the joint mind that is predominantly yours, you know you are you but in the other half you think you are someone else because that is how the party who has already been mated remembers their previous experiences. Doing so would therefore not only be unsatisfying but might also induce schizophrenia as a result or just cause someone to suffer a nervous breakdown.

Likewise, with the ikran there would be a confusion over your identity (and potentially the ikran's if you already have your own ikran) which would have a similar effect of inducing schizophrenia or a nervous breakdown.

To me, it seems that the two taboos are going to be inherently linked and so they likely share a common cause.
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Yeah, generally speaking taboos are there for a reason - either to encourage practices that make yourself or your offspring more likely to survive (in humans, this is probably why we are/were monogamous - so you have more likelihood of helping to raise your own children rather than just letting one, or worse zero, people care for them), or because organisations have developed them over hundreds of years for their own gain (which explains the taboo on arguing against the idea of religion, as an example) (there are probably more reasons for taboos too, but I can't think of these offhand). So since there is obviously a very strong taboo in the Na'vi community against forming tsaheylu with other ikrans and others' mates, there is probably a reason much stronger than our reason for being monogamous (as we never really kept to that through history ;)) - and I'm guessing what kemeoauniaea said is probably quite a good guess.
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Eating, or flying away, doesn't stand as an option for me.
But I think rather that you can't approach another ones Ikran that easy,
Neytiri kind of "called" Seze with a unique sound, like animals on Earth do with their children,
each parent recognizes it's childs voice.
Perhaps the Ikran won't react when it hears someone else's voice?

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Even if it doesn't react to another person's voice (which seems likely), that doesn't preclude the possibility of someone trying to bond with someone else's ikran, for example, when neytiri calls seze there is plenty of time that Jake could have used to make tsaheylu to seze if neytiri had been distracted and he'd wanted to.

As for the responding, other evidence for this is when Tsu'tey and the hunters are running through hometree the ikran aren't panicking and trying to find their riders, they still have to be called, I think this also shows that whilst ayikran are certainly more intelligent than a pa'li they still aren't as intelligent as one of the na'vi.
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Quote from: Human No More on April 27, 2010, 10:37:25 AM
the Ikran would probably see them as a threat and attack them.

Thats probably true, like when Neytiri told Jake not to look in her eyes, or the ikran would just fly off. Its a good question though. I hope they answer it in the future movies.

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Quote from: kemeoauniaea on April 28, 2010, 01:54:24 PM
As for the responding, other evidence for this is when Tsu'tey and the hunters are running through hometree the ikran aren't panicking and trying to find their riders, they still have to be called, I think this also shows that whilst ayikran are certainly more intelligent than a pa'li they still aren't as intelligent as one of the na'vi.

One hole in that theory, if the Ikran HAVE to be called by their hunters before they come to them, how did so many of them survive the destruction of hometree?

I might be misunderstanding your post, I'm not sure.
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Quote from: Tukruyä Tsamsiyu on May 07, 2010, 01:53:20 PM
Quote from: kemeoauniaea on April 28, 2010, 01:54:24 PM
As for the responding, other evidence for this is when Tsu'tey and the hunters are running through hometree the ikran aren't panicking and trying to find their riders, they still have to be called, I think this also shows that whilst ayikran are certainly more intelligent than a pa'li they still aren't as intelligent as one of the na'vi.

One hole in that theory, if the Ikran HAVE to be called by their hunters before they come to them, how did so many of them survive the destruction of hometree?

I might be misunderstanding your post, I'm not sure.

I didn't say that the ikran were so stupid they'd stay in kelutral, just that they weren't looking for their hunters and saving them.  ;)
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Quote from: kemeoauniaea on May 07, 2010, 02:19:36 PM
Quote from: Tukruyä Tsamsiyu on May 07, 2010, 01:53:20 PM
Quote from: kemeoauniaea on April 28, 2010, 01:54:24 PM
As for the responding, other evidence for this is when Tsu'tey and the hunters are running through hometree the ikran aren't panicking and trying to find their riders, they still have to be called, I think this also shows that whilst ayikran are certainly more intelligent than a pa'li they still aren't as intelligent as one of the na'vi.

One hole in that theory, if the Ikran HAVE to be called by their hunters before they come to them, how did so many of them survive the destruction of hometree?

I might be misunderstanding your post, I'm not sure.

I didn't say that the ikran were so stupid they'd stay in kelutral, just that they weren't looking for their hunters and saving them.  ;)
Yea, I misread it then...lol. my bad.
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