Na'vi - the flawless people?

[fkeua vrrtep]

then, i presume that it's a matter of priorities.

situation 1 [in this situation i will assume that unobtanium mining does not interfere with nature ballance]:
humans come to na'vi, explain that they are on a brink of destruction and that their only hope is to mine for unobtanium and then leave (or at least stop mining). if i were na'vi i would point point to a place where is good to dig and not to disturb na'vi or other fauna.
i really doubt that this was the case, given the fact that the price of unobtanium is the main reason humans are on pandora and that they are corporation mercs and employees, working for corporation, which is, again, working for profit. i think that is pretty obvious, given the context.

situation 2 [same as situation 1, so no harm in mining unobtanium]:
humans come to the planet with their vehicles, dozers, tools, dig for unobtanium, consider na'vi as a nuissance and do not try to reason with them, at least not in a matter of discussion, but merely ignoring them or not giving them reasons behind unobtanium mining. if i were na'vi in this situation, i would consider this act as an aggresion, rude at least, and try to drive away the unwanted guests from my home with all power i got. (the scientists are most probably not a factor here, they are on pandora because of other things, study, interaction, communication, not unobtanium, so i am not mentioning them in my examples).

situation 3 [unobtanium mining interferes with natural ballance, making instabilities in magnetic flux or eywa or whatever]:
humans come to na'vi, like in situation 1, they politelly point out their problem and their dire need of unobtanium. if i were na'vi here, i would say sorry, find another planet, you simply can't dig here. in reply to human's 'but we must, we'll all perish if we don't' i would say sorry again, but we can't help you, you can't mine here and we won't let you.

situation 4 [unobtanium mining interferes with ballance yadayada]:
like in situation 2. pretty self explicable:)

The problem is that they don't ask for help , drugs are no cure against an addiction it just makes it go on and become worse and it really has come worse to humanity , we need oil and gas etc. everyday , we just can't live without that stuff anymore , it has become an addiction , it's like a pusher for short time but it's sure that it will be gone some day and leave you there with nothing , you just ruined everything .
The actual help would have been spiritually and mentally , making humanity understand what it's doing to itself and their nature , help them to do it in a different way , in a way in cooperation with nature and not against it .
My point is , that humanity wouldn't be needing to steal property of others if they would have chosen the right path , instead they chose a selfdestructing never ending struggle to keep it's machinery of corruption and illusions up working , our world we know today is based upon lies , greedy industrials force us to fight against each other and to keep borders clear in order to increase their pseudo wealth ,you don't find wealth in paper where numbers are printed on or shining sorts of metal or liquids , you find it in life itself ,in all it's different kinds , it lies in valueing the opportunities we were given , the beautiful home we were given  , to be thankful for every breath you take in this world and not to fall for questionable ideals of life , but humanity seems to have chosen the way of blindness , ignorance , greed and fratricide in a nerver ending bloodlust .
Each year we develope new machines and technics to handle our artificial life , but at the same time we are forgetting where we come from , and what unique chance we were given , though humanity keeps on living with it's blind attitude .

If you see humanity as a whole , you can say that we would actually be the ones who should go down for doing what we did , and specially because we have fallen into such a system and that we do not fight it , that we even let it happen , if such a literally dumb and ignorant civilization is not able to free itself from those vices by itself we are damned to fail .

[Roiki]

I think, given the situation where the earth is in dire need of unobtanium for survival, i think it would justify the decision to a certain point. However, this is not made evident in the film, and so if this is truly the case (as stated in the survival guide) then I would say I'm a little dissapointed by the one-sidedness of the film. Also, if Jake knew the importance of unobtanium for the survival of his people, then sending them back would be dishing out destruction to his entire planet!

At the end of the movie Jake does say "...the aliens went back intot heir dying world" which to me sounds like he knew what would happen. But since he didin't have any connection to that world anymore he might justify it to himself with that. Since i don't know James Camerons vision i't hard to say did he intend it to be "bad humans against good nature loving aliens" or did he make it more along the lines "humans trying to save their world by exploiting others because of their own mistake". I like to think the latter is correct since i don't believe people to be inherently "evil".

[Night Raider]

Well yes, if unobtainium was crucial to Earth's survival, then a lot of human action in the movie could be justified. But Cameron makes us believe that the humans are there because of more of a "for-profit" type of mining the unobtainium, not mining it for survival.

[fkeua vrrtep]

Well yes, if unobtainium was crucial to Earth's survival, then a lot of human action in the movie could be justified. But Cameron makes us believe that the humans are there because of more of a "for-profit" type of mining the unobtainium, not mining it for survival.

Since when is some kind of metal relevant to survive ? It's not necessary at all for surviving ,it's necessary to keep up a hipocritital society and its false values and ideals and for building more and more industries which are polluting our environment .

[Roiki]

We don't know what unobtainium is, it might be metal or it might be some unknown carbon allotrope or something completely new. The point is that in a physical sense it isn't necessary to survive, but a society is so much more than that. Complete destruction of social constructs causes unavoidable disaster, wars, famine and everything you don't want to see. Technology is that which keeps us safe and comfy and it's not a bad thing, it's our way, some have other ways, no better than the next. The trick is to make that way sustainable and obviously humans made a mistake somewhere along the line.

In earth they seem to have developed clean burning fuels, antimatter and fusion power which are clean energy sources, at some point in time it came at a price and now they have the technology to correct past wrongs, i doubt you can fault anyone wanting to do that. Mistakes get made and even things done with the best intentions might have disasterous consequences.

The na'vi found a way that suits them, their way is not compatible to us, we're too frail for that, it's like trying to say to a turtle that he should fly like an eagle.

[fkeua vrrtep]

We don't know what unobtainium is, it might be metal or it might be some unknown carbon allotrope or something completely new. The point is that in a physical sense it isn't necessary to survive, but a society is so much more than that. Complete destruction of social constructs causes unavoidable disaster, wars, famine and everything you don't want to see. Technology is that which keeps us safe and comfy and it's not a bad thing, it's our way, some have other ways, no better than the next. The trick is to make that way sustainable and obviously humans made a mistake somewhere along the line.

In earth they seem to have developed clean burning fuels, antimatter and fusion power which are clean energy sources, at some point in time it came at a price and now they have the technology to correct past wrongs, i doubt you can fault anyone wanting to do that. Mistakes get made and even things done with the best intentions might have disasterous consequences.

The na'vi found a way that suits them, their way is not compatible to us, we're too frail for that, it's like trying to say to a turtle that he should fly like an eagle.

we are too frail because we are being costantly weakened by addictive and selfdestructing things we have created , I understand what you want to say , but all that wouldn't be necessary at all if we wouldn't be too lazy about things ,we are trying to make thingsway too easy and on that way we just complicate things until it all reaches it's boiling point and threatens to just explode and take everything with it , humanity can't walk this path forever , someday the climax will be reached , nothing of those ideals we created can be held any longer , our polluting machines won't be able to work anymore because everything is just used up , and until we will be able to take a spaceride and rob the goods of other species there will be a lot of time , what is the world going to do if the oil runs out from one to another day , if dirty energy which has been used all the years can't be afforded anymore , people should start asking those questions or the world is walking towards some huge catastrophies .

[Tirealì'u]

I'm just going to toss this out there:

How many Na'vi do you think die trying to get an Ikran, or being taught how to break a fall from a high location, etc... While we only see one teacher-student relationship, I got the impression that Jake got a pretty normal experience as far as 'Na'vi Upbringing' goes. That whole "learn or die" thing.

That, to me, makes the Na'vi seem very based on the survival of the fittest thing, which is good for a species, but also doesn't leave a lot of room for softer emotions.

[fkeua vrrtep]

I'm just going to toss this out there:

How many Na'vi do you think die trying to get an Ikran, or being taught how to break a fall from a high location, etc... While we only see one teacher-student relationship, I got the impression that Jake got a pretty normal experience as far as 'Na'vi Upbringing' goes. That whole "learn or die" thing.

That, to me, makes the Na'vi seem very based on the survival of the fittest thing, which is good for a species, but also doesn't leave a lot of room for softer emotions.

they are getting wellprepared to it and I dont think that there is a high percentage of casualties because of those rituals , you may compare it to humanity , by asking the simple question how many people died of alcohol and tobacco , I think drinkind liquids which are actually poison for our budy and inhaling toxic gases isalot more dangerous than climbing , you can clearly see that those drugs cost millions of lifes every year and these "becoming a man" rituals exist almost everywhere on earth too , besides what the Na'vi learn is important for their daily life in a dangerous environment and therefor they need to learn how to behave in it and how to react to certain situations , having an Ikran is a way of hunting Food .
It's the same as back when humanity domesticated dogs and other animals for their use in surviving , dogs have been used for hunting purposes for centuries in mankinds history , domesticating dogs was dangerous too at the beginning but then a bond developed between our species which are useful to both of them .

[Doolio]

then, i presume that it's a matter of priorities.

situation 1 [in this situation i will assume that unobtanium mining does not interfere with nature ballance]:
humans come to na'vi, explain that they are on a brink of destruction and that their only hope is to mine for unobtanium and then leave (or at least stop mining). if i were na'vi i would point point to a place where is good to dig and not to disturb na'vi or other fauna.
i really doubt that this was the case, given the fact that the price of unobtanium is the main reason humans are on pandora and that they are corporation mercs and employees, working for corporation, which is, again, working for profit. i think that is pretty obvious, given the context.

situation 2 [same as situation 1, so no harm in mining unobtanium]:
humans come to the planet with their vehicles, dozers, tools, dig for unobtanium, consider na'vi as a nuissance and do not try to reason with them, at least not in a matter of discussion, but merely ignoring them or not giving them reasons behind unobtanium mining. if i were na'vi in this situation, i would consider this act as an aggresion, rude at least, and try to drive away the unwanted guests from my home with all power i got. (the scientists are most probably not a factor here, they are on pandora because of other things, study, interaction, communication, not unobtanium, so i am not mentioning them in my examples).

situation 3 [unobtanium mining interferes with natural ballance, making instabilities in magnetic flux or eywa or whatever]:
humans come to na'vi, like in situation 1, they politelly point out their problem and their dire need of unobtanium. if i were na'vi here, i would say sorry, find another planet, you simply can't dig here. in reply to human's 'but we must, we'll all perish if we don't' i would say sorry again, but we can't help you, you can't mine here and we won't let you.

situation 4 [unobtanium mining interferes with ballance yadayada]:
like in situation 2. pretty self explicable:)

The problem is that they don't ask for help , drugs are no cure against an addiction it just makes it go on and become worse and it really has come worse to humanity , we need oil and gas etc. everyday , we just can't live without that stuff anymore , it has become an addiction , it's like a pusher for short time but it's sure that it will be gone some day and leave you there with nothing , you just ruined everything .
The actual help would have been spiritually and mentally , making humanity understand what it's doing to itself and their nature , help them to do it in a different way , in a way in cooperation with nature and not against it .
My point is , that humanity wouldn't be needing to steal property of others if they would have chosen the right path , instead they chose a selfdestructing never ending struggle to keep it's machinery of corruption and illusions up working , our world we know today is based upon lies , greedy industrials force us to fight against each other and to keep borders clear in order to increase their pseudo wealth ,you don't find wealth in paper where numbers are printed on or shining sorts of metal or liquids , you find it in life itself ,in all it's different kinds , it lies in valueing the opportunities we were given , the beautiful home we were given  , to be thankful for every breath you take in this world and not to fall for questionable ideals of life , but humanity seems to have chosen the way of blindness , ignorance , greed and fratricide in a nerver ending bloodlust .
Each year we develope new machines and technics to handle our artificial life , but at the same time we are forgetting where we come from , and what unique chance we were given , though humanity keeps on living with it's blind attitude .

If you see humanity as a whole , you can say that we would actually be the ones who should go down for doing what we did , and specially because we have fallen into such a system and that we do not fight it , that we even let it happen , if such a literally dumb and ignorant civilization is not able to free itself from those vices by itself we are damned to fail .

well don't know why you quoted me, i agree with you, you must of have jumped over my next sentence:) in addition, you may check the topic about current books in the books subforum, there i pretty much summarized my opinion on this (yeah, we went OT a bit there:) )

i am pretty sure that terrans were planning to make one big unobtanium mine of pandora and eventually kill all living things by reckless and greedy mining. i mean, it's not their planet after all...

[Olo'eyktukru]

First of all I don't think that the Na'vi are flawless, they seem to be too strict, a bit judgmental and way too proud...

And about the conflict, we can of course relate the events of the movie with the conflicts between the indigenous people of the Americas and their respective European "invaders", or to the ongoing Iraq War if you agree that the reason the US started was to secure Iraq's oil supply (but let's not get political, ok?), or event to the Holocaust. And we remenber those moments in history because they were huge and defined our world. But every time a culture comes in contact to another culture there is conflict. It is very hard for two different cultures to understand each other.

In the movie we see that the humans made an effort to know the na'vi culture (so they would trust them and accept to find a new home), and the na'vi tried to accept the humans an teach them their ways. You see both people wanted that the other followed their culture. The humans needed the unobtanium (and it doesn't matter if it was essential for the humans survival. if the human culture demanded unobtanium, even if it was to built segways, then they needed it. and i'm not say that this is right) and the na'vi couldn't possibly understand why. on the other hand the humans couldn't ever understand the meaning of tsahaylu and the connecting between all life forms on Pandora, except the ones in the avatar program, but they were not making the decisions on the mining mission (and I only remember seeing Jake making the bond with something).

Do the humans had the right to be on Pandora and star to mine the planet? I think that they have the same right to mine Pandora as they have to mine Earth, or any other planet or moon. But I don't believe that Pandora belongs to the Na'vi, as I don't believe that the Earth belongs to us, we just live here.

I think the conflict in Pandora ended up the way it they because of pour planning of the mining mission, laziness, a weak mission leader (Selfridge) and an arrogant war-addicted soldier (Quaritch). Is the location of Hell's Gates the best for the mining porpoise? Selfridge says that the Omaticaya hometree is above the largest amount of unobtanium in a 200 miles radius (I don't really remember if it was 200), but and beyond that? there could be some larger deposits on other locations... But for me it is pretty clear that Selfridge wasn't going to pull the trigger on the na'vi if it wasn't Quaritch influence over him and Quaritch's only motivation was that he wanted some action.

Another thing we only saw the Omaticaya's culture, that's one clan. We don't know the position of the other clans about the humans mining Pandora, maybe they don't care... It seems they only joined the battle because the Tree of Souls were in danger and because Toruk Makto persuaded them.

I don't know if this makes sense at all... I'm very sleepy...

[Hawnuyu atìtse'a]

Comparing to the Holocaust? Easy now...

I get your point about invaders and such, but let me point to the American Revolution. While it's a stretch to call the colonials "natives" the concept is the same. But we won. Alas, 100 years later manifest destiny turns us into the invaders. It might happen to the na'vi; independence (sort of for the na'vi) on an unprepared nation can cause some wierd stuff. But the lack of a sequel makes my argument conjecture so yeah... 

[bagget00]

Mawey, Na'vi. Mawey... 

Interpretations can be challenged in a friendly way. Let's stay friendly! 

He's trying to justify the annihilation of people in case of greed , I think that's quite a reason to set that straight , the same thing happened here on earth before , europeans came to america and did just the same thing , "give us your land , your properties and everything else you own or we will straight away annihilate you" , and that's what they did , today there are only small leftovers of the culture and the people of indians in america , a sad example for the coldbloodedness of humans .

I wonder if you have heard about the indians trying to cover up a race that was there before they were. Some Archeologists have recently found short red haired skeletons. They have been there longer than the indians have been around. They might even have crossed over on the ice bridge. As soon as the skelitons were found the indians claimed them to be their ancestors and have been fighting in courts to claim the bodies and take them. I think along with others that the indians took over their lands and are trying to cover it up.

post by fkeua vrrtep
Besides , how do you explain to yourself that there are only a few percent of the population of native americans left , their number obviously decreased the more the europeans moved towards the west and you just can't deny that there have been countless massacres among the native population done by the intruders .

In response to this post by fkeua vrrtep:
It's not just north america that got invaded. Thee was just about every other part of the Americas as well.

Just because you like the underdog doesn't mean they are the best people on the planet. Maybe the underdog needed to to be taken out. What do you think Al-Queda is? They are a group smaller than America with less resources let alone a home country/continent. They are considerd the underdog. Do you root for those basards and murderers alike?

Maybe if they had talked more about Earth in the movie besides the one or two lines that were in there, we might kow why they need unobtanium.

Plus metal is used for tools and tools for survival so maybe the race really is dying due to lack oof super rare metal to power there mag-lev trains. What else would you use a room temp sperconductor other than to power something that floats or smash atoms?

Also lets not forget that the humans on Pandora are sci-fi mercs. We all know that sci-fi mercs are either in it for the money alone or are evil. Plus the company is there, not the hole representation of human civilization. They are there for profit not to play patti cake with the indiginous peoples.

If we run out of fuels, problem solved in your mind? The air clears and the sun gets better and the whole universe is happy if we die off. BTW, we includes you as well. I for one will not just lay back and die. I don't believe we are doing ireperable harm to our planet and We are coming out with other fuels anyways.

We could always ride bycicles.

I don't see you coming up with new ideas. All you are doing is getting mad at a movie for portraying some truth and then b**** and moaning to us as if we had any better idea about the world of the future than you do. It's not real.

If all your gonna do is get upset and whine, don't post please. I like a friendly forum and would like to keep it that way.

[Hawnuyu atìtse'a]

Relevance? Covering up your past?

[bagget00]

no, just stating that we are not alone in taking over a smaller race, that we are not the only ones who needed land for ourselves, and that the indians are trying to cover that up. We are not the evil Americans who destroyed a people.

[Hawnuyu atìtse'a]

Shiftin the blame. Like it.

[kranapan]

I bet they have wars.

[Coyote]

Let's get real-- there is not a civilization alive today that does not have blood on its hands. And if we want to get technical, all of humanity can be held responsible for such things as the extinction of the Mammoths and other creatures.

But instead of going through with a clipboard and starting a never-ending round of "pin the blame", what we need to do is recognize, "yes, we've all done these things, collectively, and we need to realize that they were wrong, and see to it we don't do it again." Learning from past mistakes and changing our attitudes is the best way to honor the dead. Pinning blame will not only just keep the anger flowing, but it will also not bring any of them back to life, either.

[fkeua vrrtep]

Mawey, Na'vi. Mawey...  

Interpretations can be challenged in a friendly way. Let's stay friendly!  

He's trying to justify the annihilation of people in case of greed , I think that's quite a reason to set that straight , the same thing happened here on earth before , europeans came to america and did just the same thing , "give us your land , your properties and everything else you own or we will straight away annihilate you" , and that's what they did , today there are only small leftovers of the culture and the people of indians in america , a sad example for the coldbloodedness of humans .

I wonder if you have heard about the indians trying to cover up a race that was there before they were. Some Archeologists have recently found short red haired skeletons. They have been there longer than the indians have been around. They might even have crossed over on the ice bridge. As soon as the skelitons were found the indians claimed them to be their ancestors and have been fighting in courts to claim the bodies and take them. I think along with others that the indians took over their lands and are trying to cover it up.

post by fkeua vrrtep
Besides , how do you explain to yourself that there are only a few percent of the population of native americans left , their number obviously decreased the more the europeans moved towards the west and you just can't deny that there have been countless massacres among the native population done by the intruders .

In response to this post by fkeua vrrtep:
It's not just north america that got invaded. Thee was just about every other part of the Americas as well.

Just because you like the underdog doesn't mean they are the best people on the planet. Maybe the underdog needed to to be taken out. What do you think Al-Queda is? They are a group smaller than America with less resources let alone a home country/continent. They are considerd the underdog. Do you root for those basards and murderers alike?

Maybe if they had talked more about Earth in the movie besides the one or two lines that were in there, we might kow why they need unobtanium.

Plus metal is used for tools and tools for survival so maybe the race really is dying due to lack oof super rare metal to power there mag-lev trains. What else would you use a room temp sperconductor other than to power something that floats or smash atoms?

Also lets not forget that the humans on Pandora are sci-fi mercs. We all know that sci-fi mercs are either in it for the money alone or are evil. Plus the company is there, not the hole representation of human civilization. They are there for profit not to play patti cake with the indiginous peoples.

If we run out of fuels, problem solved in your mind? The air clears and the sun gets better and the whole universe is happy if we die off. BTW, we includes you as well. I for one will not just lay back and die. I don't believe we are doing ireperable harm to our planet and We are coming out with other fuels anyways.

We could always ride bycicles.

I don't see you coming up with new ideas. All you are doing is getting mad at a movie for portraying some truth and then b**** and moaning to us as if we had any better idea about the world of the future than you do. It's not real.

If all your gonna do is get upset and whine, don't post please. I like a friendly forum and would like to keep it that way.

Telling a story about others trying to cover up others which is not even proven is not a justification of what the europeans did to the indians , I don't say that they were the only ones who took land from others and if the others didn't cooperate or just give up they would have killed them and this is a fact you cannot deny .
Besides those bodies that were found could have really been their ancestors , or at least former people that lived on the continent but failed with the challenges they were exposed to , they just moved down to southamerica , you can still find different tribes on the very bottom of south america , but all that does not justify any taking from others and the way you desribe it seems that you do support this .

What do you consider wrong with being for the weaker ones , and comparing the Na'vi/indians to Al'Qaida , dude what are you thinking , I can't remember any massacres done to the american people by any indian , or just like the Na'vi , they didn't attack , they defended their homes , besides I think a medal always has two sides and that Al'qaida thing is a little more complicated than you might think , america invaded a territory of the earth which is unpredicatable on it's actions and the muslim world is not just one country , it is a large area that covers alot of people , and your former president used a false accusation to invade their lands , thus they defended themselfs with their primitive resources , I do not justify it at any point killing thousands of people who didn't have had to do anything with the assault on the muslim world which was again only for the oil and if you really think it's for the security of the people living there you must be a little naive , there are uncountable states in africa which torture and enslave their own people every year for ages and I don't see any help from the united states there , why ? Well I guess because there's nothing to steal anymore ,at least no huge amounts of oil .

And I'm not just for the "underdogs" , I have ideals regarding to life and everyones right to lead a free life in their homes , and if anyone is questioning this congenital right then he's not better than a goddamn imperialistic nazi , because taking something from someone always requires to make him look less worth than you are and that'S what has been done countless times in our world already , if you are supporting that it's just gonna go down with our species .
It seems like you really are supporting imperialism , you know it's just like this , if you want to possess what others own , it only requires you to make him your enemy and thus you are allowed to take it from him , invading a foreign country and making them the bad ones when they try to counterattack you is just hypocritical to me and has always caught the agreement of the people of the invading forces .

And mate , I'm not taking this movie as a reality , though you never now what might lay in the endless outer space , but it is a metaphor which describes the history of our species , it's showing us where we are going if we continue the way we do , and I don't want us simply to die , making me look like that makes you look like you do not want to live in a different/better way , but I guess the coal fired power plants in your homecountry will go on for another century at least , you should start to wake up , because you will not be able to burn oil for the rest of your lifes , and it's true there are coming new and better technologies , but if they will intersperce , I really doubt it , probably just going to be another compromise to calm down the people but the power plants will still run in the background boosting our downfall , with every year industrial countries keep doing what they always do the future for our children is looking darker and darker , but that seems to be the way you want it to go on , a world made of lies , false ideals , selfdestruction and hypocracy , what are you going to use for warmth if every tree has been cut and every drop of oil or quantum of gas has been used up , wonder who you want to invade then .

Besides with your last sentence , don't try to influence people in their own oppinion , because what you are doing with this sentence is suppression , and trying to make someones oppinion seem like "whine or flame" is always a way to declare yourself as an ignorant , everyone has an oppinion even I do and everyone else in the world so don't try to make people seem lesser in worth then you and tell people to post their own just because you are so convinced of yours  .

If I might have got anything wrong about your oppinion , please correct me and let me know .

[kranapan]

I don't know how far into the future the sequels are going to go, but I suspect that if a race like the Na'vi ever gets to the point of being able to travel in Space, they and humans won't exactly have a peacufel relationship!
Incidentally, on that subject, I guess the Na'vi would have to bring seeds of the Spirit Trees with them , to grow on whatever asteroids or space colonies they got to, so that they'd be able to connect.
And the Na'vi have a pretty brutal society really! I mean, did you see the spine through the nose of the eyktan of the Horse Clan? I doubt they put that through using anasthetic. They probably have to stab one through their nose to prove that they're strong enough to be leader. And that jump onto the vine in the Hallelujah Mountains? Really the mark of a peaceful society, when they couldn't save the weaker of their young people by transporting the whole lot using ikran . . .

[fkeua vrrtep]

I don't know how far into the future the sequels are going to go, but I suspect that if a race like the Na'vi ever gets to the point of being able to travel in Space, they and humans won't exactly have a peacufel relationship!
Incidentally, on that subject, I guess the Na'vi would have to bring seeds of the Spirit Trees with them , to grow on whatever asteroids or space colonies they got to, so that they'd be able to connect.
And the Na'vi have a pretty brutal society really! I mean, did you see the spine through the nose of the eyktan of the Horse Clan? I doubt they put that through using anasthetic. They probably have to stab one through their nose to prove that they're strong enough to be leader. And that jump onto the vine in the Hallelujah Mountains? Really the mark of a peaceful society, when they couldn't save the weaker of their young people by transporting the whole lot using ikran . . .

I hold it for quite doubtable that the Na'Vi would ever try to travel outer space , why would they ? Everything they need and love you can find on pandora , besides it would take ages to develope such spaceships as the humans own , but as I said they are almost sure as hell stay on their wonderful planet , why would you leave Eden for unknown places ?

Besides , what you have mentioning as brutal , do you really judge a whole society by the way their jewelry looks ? There are so many cultures on earth which do use the same kind of jewelry all over their body and I can't remember any of them being brutal or anything .
And hey , my dear friend you can't organize a full salvage operation out of nothing , just like you couldn't save all the people trapped in the world trade centers when you could see the airplanes from like 1 mile , of course they would have saved their children if they would have had enough time but there just wasn't enough to save everyone , didn't you see the mothers carrying their children while running away from the destroyed tree , you don't consider that as brutal or heartless I guess .