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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2010, 04:25:01 pm »
It would be fantastic if their queue could grow back. It's clear from the scene with Grace that if it was possible it would only be through the will of the whole tribe. If this was true people who accidentally lost their queue could gain it back, while those who were punished would have to live the rest of their half life as is. A horrible thought.
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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2010, 04:33:32 pm »
Horrible enough for me to get a bit sick ;D

Could it be, that the Na'Vi as individual is much to "perfect" (?), that such things are going to happen to him or her...?
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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2010, 04:40:54 pm »
I wouldn't know the reason behind a removal of the queue, but no culture is perfect. There are always crimes and there will always be someone who is to quick to punish.
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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2010, 04:45:41 pm »
Right ...

(Wow, we philosophize about fictional religions ;D) Do you think, there is a difference in afterlife? Or are all the people equal? Maybe the olo'eyktan and Na'Vi, who did extraordinary things gain a special status? ...
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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2010, 04:57:41 pm »
It's entertaining!

I don't picture their afterlife as one where there could be inequality. There is simply being on with Eywa. Their energy is part of her than and I think the voices at the Trees are the last thing of them that stays behind.
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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2010, 10:17:54 pm »
The voices at the Trees are the actual people that could be heard. The Trees are a connection for the Na'vi to connect to the trees and hear them.

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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2010, 10:21:05 pm »
They are the actual voices, but the movie made it sound more like they were memories rather than the people talking. If that's true it's hard to tell what actually happens in their afterlife. Perhaps only their memories are preserved in the trees and the rest of their energy simply goes back into keeping the planet going.
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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2010, 10:27:33 pm »
That could be ngay. In the movie, Neytiri said, "They are alive, Jake. They live within Eywa." So, that could mean that they are still alive.

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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2010, 10:40:21 pm »
I think it's live in the most abstract sense. Their energy is being used to keep the world going, which to the Na'vi is just another form of life.
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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2010, 10:49:59 pm »
Well, that's your opinion. My opinion is that they are still alive, truly alive within Eywa.

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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2010, 10:55:51 pm »
Of course, everything we have here is only opinions. I'm just discussing all the possibilities that they could mean by "they live." English is her second language and it's a complex term that may not translate right.
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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #51 on: January 21, 2010, 11:01:01 pm »
Ngay. I probably need to watch the movie again to see. I hope they go more into it in the second movie.

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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #52 on: January 21, 2010, 11:07:10 pm »
They have to! It was a huge point of this movie, they most go into more detail in the next!
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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2010, 11:20:51 pm »
I just remembered that the Trees were destroyed except for a small one it looked like. Maybe they make a come back.

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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2010, 11:24:39 pm »
Well there are multiple Tree of Voices sites, they're rare but certainly not as much as the Tree of Souls.
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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2010, 11:26:30 pm »
Ngay. It depends on where they find their new home at as well.

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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2010, 12:08:43 am »
The 'separation of consciousness' or even 'separation of spirit from body' idea comes up a lot in the movie. For instance - when a human controls an avatar body, is that persons spirit / consciousness removed from their body and 'transplanted' into the avatar? It certainly appears that way.

Can a consciousness really be quantified as an energy that can be moved from one vessel to another? If it really is just an energy, then it makes sense that (as Eywa contains all of the 'energies' of the plants, animals and Na'vi) upon death, this energy-consciousness would become part of Eywa but remain intact and in a way, still alive.

Humans can transplant the energy-consciousness of a human from one body to another without any 'damaging' it by using technology. Eywa can do the same 'naturally'. When a Na'vi dies, perhaps their energy-consciousness is drawn into Eywa and suffers no 'damage'?

If this is true and the consciousness survives intact, then Neytiri was speaking literally and the 'souls' of the Na'vi truly do 'live' within Eywa - perhaps in a manner where they can interact with one another and, through the use of the tree of voices, interact with the living. That does seem like a 'heaven' - to be reunited with everyone in a world where you can never become sick, grow old or suffer, where you are with your God for eternity but you can still occasionally converse with your living relatives.

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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2010, 12:20:25 am »
I agree that there are strong parallels between the humans putting their consciences into the Avatars and Eywa possibly have the same natural ability. This is sadly one of those issues we won't have a clear answer on until we know whether those voices are memories or actual conversational voices.

On an incredibly nerdy point. Who here has played Final Fantasy X? In it when people die their "souls" are sent to the Farplane where they are turned into these fire fly things. A living human can visit the Farplane and they can summon up a memory of a loved dead one and an imagine of them will appear. It is not really a ghost, merely a memory left behind by the fireflies. I imagine that this could be what the Na'vi hear while the rest of their "energy" is converted to something Eywa can use as the energy is only borrowed and must be given back to her.
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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2010, 01:22:35 am »
Perhaps the souls within Eywa are like the letters in alphabet soup - they're just floating around, doing their own thing. If you really wanted to find an 'A' in the soup, you could, but it would take some searching.

Like, uncle Joe is in there but he's just chillin' out, doing whatever he does. If you wanted to talk to him, there's no promise that you'd get hold of him.

Most of the voices at the tree seemed pretty random - singing, laughing etc. Perhaps they aren't aware they're being listened to, most of the time?

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Re: Na'vi Afterlife
« Reply #59 on: January 22, 2010, 06:19:07 am »
I have to agree. At the time, they wouldn't be aware of anything like if someone were to link to the Tree of Voices unless they were called or something.

 

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