Na'vi couples...hetro, homo etc/.

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Quote from: Eyamsiyu on September 10, 2010, 04:45:03 PM
Seriously, I really do apologize in the place of them.  We Christians are the worst at letting people be when you say "no."

Yes, they probably exist in their culture.  How they deal with it?  Not sure at all.

Well, technically speaking, Christianity and Islam all stem from Judaism.  So it's really the Jewish folk's fault! (XD), Without trying to get into a theology discussion

How would the deal with it? ...  Don't ask, don't tell! :B  But that's not allowed anymore is it? XD

EDIT:  Just to show how warped European colonists beliefs were 
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All good points. the Na'vi wouldn't really care if there clan had Gay/Lez couples. (just so long as there aren't to many so the clan can still have offspring) and either threw Eywa or there true feelings for someone the Clan leader and Tsahìk would not mind in the slightest. so no doubt the most likely exist :) :)
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It's the Christians in general, the bloody mainstream religion here in Europe. -.- Just because a few insane, violent, brutal, fanatic and conservative idiots have founded a new religion, EVERYONE had bad luck after that...

What had happened without the Christians these days? No middle age, no crusades > no muslim terrorists... (a fact some Americans might be interested in ;) )
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You mean, if the "mainstream religion" was still paganism? Yeah, maybe we could still "see"...

PS: I personally don't have anything against Christianity, just disagree with a lot of its "positions".
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I have no opinion about whether or not the na'vi have homosexuals really, because it isn't a matter of opinion, it's about what JC decides really.  :)

I used to be Christian (brainwashed by parents XD) not anymore though.

but just think without the darkages we would be hundreds of years more advanced.
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What had happened without the Christians these days? No middle age, no crusades > no muslim terrorists... (a fact some Americans might be interested in ;) )

Oh, I'm well aware of that.  If I hat to put the blame on anyone for the crusades/middle-ages, it would have to be the pope.  He was the one that started the crusades.  

As for the Muslim terrorists, all I have to say that in any belief system there are extremists.  And yes, I do know that we are the primary target because America is the vice to their religion.

Please, can we get back on-topic?


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Quote from: Eyamsiyu on September 11, 2010, 11:08:03 AM
Quote from: Virid'ian link=topic=12065.msg307378#msg307378
What had happened without the Christians these days? No middle age, no crusades > no muslim terrorists... (a fact some Americans might be interested in ;) )

Oh, I'm well aware of that.  If I hat to put the blame on anyone for the crusades/middle-ages, it would have to be the pope.  He was the one that started the crusades.  

[snip]

Please, can we get back on-topic?

Bear in mind that in at least one of the crusades (I don't remember which) one of the Muslim factions took over Jerusalem and forbade Christian pilgrims from entering whereas the Christian rulers had allowed Muslim pilgrims entrance immediately before the take over. I'm not saying the pope was right to call a crusade (it was a massive justification), but it isn't really accurate to blame him entirely.

And yes, let's.
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{{ I'd love to see some better documentation on the crusade claims. I have heard that the Islamic rule of the Holy Land was actually some of the least aggressive. I might also add that while in Catholic school, our priest admitted that Crusaders basically ravaged and raped their way to the Holy Land before murdering people in the "name of God".. personally  I think that all of the big monotheistic religions are equally crappy... but onto the real subject at hand }}


Considering the critical mating practice is done via the queues, I'd say that it would not be out of the question that heterosexual and homosexual pairs could both exist. Given also, the way Na'vi society seems to be set up, which puts a lot more emphasis on the community as a whole versus individual and nuclear families, I would hazard to say that the raising of children falls on all adults within the community, making the "need" for every couple to bear children unnecessary and the ability of all Na'vi (whether or not they procreate) to be mentors to the rest younger Na'vi in the clan.

I also remember hearing an interesting rumor about a relationship between Neytiri's ill-fated older sister and Dr. Augustine... which definitely caught my attention.


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mllte the mating ritual is said to take from becoming taronyu to about 9 to 10 years and the male Na'vi seem to hunt with female Na'vi so the time for same sex exposure is limited from low to none.
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Quote from: Ean Hufwetulyu on September 11, 2010, 09:09:31 PM
mllte the mating ritual is said to take from becoming taronyu to about 9 to 10 years and the male Na'vi seem to hunt with female Na'vi so the time for same sex exposure is limited from low to none.

What about those in a war party- I mean, I'm sure they'd all train together to some degree.

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Quote from: Ku'rända on September 12, 2010, 06:04:09 AM
Quote from: Ean Hufwetulyu on September 11, 2010, 09:09:31 PM
mllte the mating ritual is said to take from becoming taronyu to about 9 to 10 years and the male Na'vi seem to hunt with female Na'vi so the time for same sex exposure is limited from low to none.

What about those in a war party- I mean, I'm sure they'd all train together to some degree.

mllte but I think they more foucsed on battle movements and hunting
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Quote from: Ean Hufwetulyu on September 12, 2010, 07:51:32 AM
mllte but I think they more foucsed on battle movements and hunting

We mustn't forget that the children play together and bond friendships, which could later in life (adolescence) could change to more of a physical attraction.

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Quote from: Ean Hufwetulyu on September 11, 2010, 09:09:31 PM
mllte the mating ritual is said to take from becoming taronyu to about 9 to 10 years and the male Na'vi seem to hunt with female Na'vi so the time for same sex exposure is limited from low to none.

Our only real example was of Jake and Neytiri as his tutor - I doubt that it is the custom for one male and one female to always be training together (after all, Neytiri was SUPPOSED to be mated to Tsu'tey, so Mo'at would have chosen an unpaired female if this was what it is supposed to lead to). Just my opinion on that matter :) The nice thing about the Na'vi is that they dont force gender-roles on their people.

Sorry to bring up an older topic, but homosexuality/othersexuality is something that is a part of my life. I love how the Na'vi mating ritual is so neutral about it - all Na'vi are created equally in that regard. The ritual to be muntxa would be the same for a male x female as a female x female or male x male couple.
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Quote from: Virid'ian on September 11, 2010, 10:43:38 AM
It's the Christians in general, the bloody mainstream religion here in Europe. -.- Just because a few insane, violent, brutal, fanatic and conservative idiots have founded a new religion, EVERYONE had bad luck after that...

What had happened without the Christians these days? No middle age, no crusades > no muslim terrorists... (a fact some Americans might be interested in ;) )

That is a notion that I ponder often.
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Quote from: Virid'ian on September 11, 2010, 10:43:38 AM
It's the Christians in general, the bloody mainstream religion here in Europe. -.- Just because a few insane, violent, brutal, fanatic and conservative idiots have founded a new religion, EVERYONE had bad luck after that...

What had happened without the Christians these days? No middle age, no crusades > no muslim terrorists... (a fact some Americans might be interested in ;) )

That is not totally true Virid'ian.  The Muslim faith is an offshoot of Judaism, not Christianity. 

And the fact remains that the Muslim Terrorists would hate the other people in the world for any reason they could.  They just want all of us to be like them or to be dead.  There are no other options as far as they are concerned.  They haven't just attacked the US after all.  They've also attacked in England, France and many other countries.  They are not logical like we are.

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Quote from: TunVrrtep on October 13, 2010, 07:57:14 AM
And the fact remains that the Muslim Terrorists would hate the other people in the world for any reason they could.  They just want all of us to be like them or to be dead.  There are no other options as far as they are concerned.  They haven't just attacked the US after all.  They've also attacked in England, France and many other countries.  They are not logical like we are.

I really can't agree with this. I'm not saying that they're right, but in a lot of cases the US really is the heart of this problem. If we hadn't come in and tried to take control of their country, they wouldn't be quite so angry at us. I am not muslim. I'm not any religion. But I think it's a bit extreme to just point to them and say they're bad, not logical like we are. And I'm not saying they're right; I don't like their methods at all but it just isn't clear.

But this is turning into politics--IMO a subject just as touchy as religion. I'm not going to get into this, people have their own opinions and I respect that.


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Look, America's got itself involved in EVERY nation.  And I think it is what is going to undo it in the end.

Moving back to the original topic...

Would there be homosexual Na'vi?  I would say it is entirely possible, and almost guaranteed there has been before.  Might the way their familial culture nurture that?  Yes.  Might the warrior culture restrict that?  Possibly.  In the end, it's another thing to ask Cameron.


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Personally, i assume not all Na'vi are heterosexual.  What interests me more is how the Na'vi react—how do they respond to it, interpret it; what does it "mean" to them?  I'm wondering if, for example, they conceive of non-hetero Na'vi as being Two-Spirits.
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Quote from: Kì'eyawn on October 13, 2010, 10:03:36 PM
Personally, i assume not all Na'vi are heterosexual.  What interests me more is how the Na'vi react—how do they respond to it, interpret it; what does it "mean" to them?  I'm wondering if, for example, they conceive of non-hetero Na'vi as being Two-Spirits.

This.  :D


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