Na'vi Punishments

[Zefanaya]

As Olo'ekytan I imagine Jake is going to have some trouble with the responsibility of having to decide punishments in the next films.

he is a nice guy but he was a marine and with him learning the culture I think he will take advice from Neytiri and the decide how to take care of business

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Mo'at is still the most experienced (highest ranking) clan representative, from a practical stand point.  Neytiri is still receiving mentorship from Mo'at in the first film, or is at least required to speak with her before acting on anything Tsahìk related.  Right now, there is two Tsahìk with knowledge of the clan, and one Olo'eyktan with very little if not very clumsy understanding of Clan protocol.  He is able to learn, but he could very easily make many harmful mistakes if he acts without consulting from Mo'at and Neytiri both.

i figured that Neytiri would have to give him help as he know not how the Na'vi govern them selves

[Tìng Eywatikìte'e]

I know he'll go to Mo'at and Neytiri whenever something important comes up. I'm just worried that he won't be able to pull through sentencing someone through the traditional punishment when the time comes...

[A. A. Aaron]

I know he'll go to Mo'at and Neytiri whenever something important comes up. I'm just worried that he won't be able to pull through sentencing someone through the traditional punishment when the time comes...

He's committed. He is one of the Na'vi now so I have no doubt that he'd do what had to be done. I do think that he'd struggle with it internally but it would be a struggle that only he and Neytiri (and possibly Mo'at) would be privvy to. Being a former marine, he would know enough about leadership to know that you don't show indecisiveness in front of your 'troops'.

[Tìng Eywatikìte'e]

Yes, his marine training will be a huge help and I doubt we'll have to worry about him freaking out in front of the clan. Still, as someone how has been tied up on the execution stand before, I'm guessing he's not going to like being on the other side either.

[A. A. Aaron]

Yes, his marine training will be a huge help and I doubt we'll have to worry about him freaking out in front of the clan. Still, as someone how has been tied up on the execution stand before, I'm guessing he's not going to like being on the other side either.

I have no doubt that he wouldn't like the situation. It's a tough one. I like to think that he'd do what had to be done, though.

[The old Uriuujìn]

I would like to point out that you are assumng that Jake becomes Olo'eyktan. Neytiri was given her father's bow, not Jake. Neytiri was asked to protect her people, and the ikran tribe demonstrated that a female Olo'eyktan is not unheard of. Food for thought.

Eywa ayngahu

-Uriuujìn

[A. A. Aaron]

I would like to point out that you are assumng that Jake becomes Olo'eyktan. Neytiri was given her father's bow, not Jake. Neytiri was asked to protect her people, and the ikran tribe demonstrated that a female Olo'eyktan is not unheard of. Food for thought.

Eywa ayngahu

-Uriuujìn

Mmmm.. food for thought.. Tastes like you have a point. We are working from an assumption here.

[Tìng Eywatikìte'e]

Yes, but Neytiri is Tsahík, I doubt she can be both-it would disrupt the balance. Also at the very end of the film Jake is seen wearing the same necklace-thing that Etukan and Tsu'Tey wore, so it's safe to assume that it's the Na'vi version of a crown.

[A. A. Aaron]

Yes, but Neytiri is Tsahík, I doubt she can be both-it would disrupt the balance. Also at the very end of the film Jake is seen wearing the same necklace-thing that Etukan and Tsu'Tey wore, so it's safe to assume that it's the Na'vi version of a crown.

I can't believe I missed that...

[Tìng Eywatikìte'e]

Well you only see it for a second, so it's one I think a lot have missed.

[Zefanaya]

Yes, but Neytiri is Tsahík, I doubt she can be both-it would disrupt the balance. Also at the very end of the film Jake is seen wearing the same necklace-thing that Etukan and Tsu'Tey wore, so it's safe to assume that it's the Na'vi version of a crown.

I can't believe I missed that...

[Tìng Eywatikìte'e]

Thank you, that's helpful.

I wonder what those claws are from...They seem big for Ikran.

[Zefanaya]

i agree maybe from a dead toruk

[A. A. Aaron]

Far out.
I was wondering something else about this scene..
New thread incoming....

[ShadowedSin]

In most tribal cultures similar to the na'vi, outsiders are either killed on the spot or brought before the elders of the tribe or clan. It is the elders who then decide the fate of the outsiders.

The na'vi having a neo-lithic culture would probably behave similarly. The common area of Hometree didn't have anything like a "jail" of any sort. And the Activists Guide doesn't make any mention of the subject either. So we don't know for sure how their criminal justice system works. Sequels will probably answer this question for us perhaps.

Yes and no.

Tribal societies are not always united under one banner. A tribe may have several or many disparate Clans that are ruled by varying members. One example of something that might happen is something like a Jirga court (Pashtun Tribal Court). Which would be the top ranking familial or household kinship heads. Also note it is not always the elders who deal with mediation. The Mbuti of Africa (congo dwelling forest people) refer to children when dealing with problems.

Though with the emphasis placed upon the Clan Leader and Matriarch I see them both standing as judge. Possibly with older or more supported Bigman/Woman (Tsu'Tey is an example) acting as advisors.

[Technowraith]

In most tribal cultures similar to the na'vi, outsiders are either killed on the spot or brought before the elders of the tribe or clan. It is the elders who then decide the fate of the outsiders.

The na'vi having a neo-lithic culture would probably behave similarly. The common area of Hometree didn't have anything like a "jail" of any sort. And the Activists Guide doesn't make any mention of the subject either. So we don't know for sure how their criminal justice system works. Sequels will probably answer this question for us perhaps.

Yes and no.

Tribal societies are not always united under one banner. A tribe may have several or many disparate Clans that are ruled by varying members. One example of something that might happen is something like a Jirga court (Pashtun Tribal Court). Which would be the top ranking familial or household kinship heads. Also note it is not always the elders who deal with mediation. The Mbuti of Africa (congo dwelling forest people) refer to children when dealing with problems.

Though with the emphasis placed upon the Clan Leader and Matriarch I see them both standing as judge. Possibly with older or more supported Bigman/Woman (Tsu'Tey is an example) acting as advisors.

Interesting point of view. I know next to nothing about the societal breakdown of tribes or the social structures and governments. Those were always the times i fell asleep in social studies class. ^.^

Irayo for your information. 

[Txur’Itan]

Thank you, that's helpful.

I wonder what those claws are from...They seem big for Ikran.

It looks like those might be (premaxilla?) descending fangs from a Palulukan...

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On the topic of punishment, I am wondering what other forms of discipline are performed that are not as sever as execution, or severing the queue.

What do they do to discipline unruly children for instance?  Would it be a non issue if tsahaylu can be done with children to see what actually needs to be done, or would there be something like a spanking?

[Nìwotxkrr Tìyawn]

The palulukan cage-of-corrections?

[ShadowedSin]

In most tribal cultures similar to the na'vi, outsiders are either killed on the spot or brought before the elders of the tribe or clan. It is the elders who then decide the fate of the outsiders.

The na'vi having a neo-lithic culture would probably behave similarly. The common area of Hometree didn't have anything like a "jail" of any sort. And the Activists Guide doesn't make any mention of the subject either. So we don't know for sure how their criminal justice system works. Sequels will probably answer this question for us perhaps.

Yes and no.

Tribal societies are not always united under one banner. A tribe may have several or many disparate Clans that are ruled by varying members. One example of something that might happen is something like a Jirga court (Pashtun Tribal Court). Which would be the top ranking familial or household kinship heads. Also note it is not always the elders who deal with mediation. The Mbuti of Africa (congo dwelling forest people) refer to children when dealing with problems.

Though with the emphasis placed upon the Clan Leader and Matriarch I see them both standing as judge. Possibly with older or more supported Bigman/Woman (Tsu'Tey is an example) acting as advisors.

Interesting point of view. I know next to nothing about the societal breakdown of tribes or the social structures and governments. Those were always the times i fell asleep in social studies class. ^.^

Irayo for your information. 

Anthropologically speaking there are a few major categories of grouping.

Band - Tribe - Chiefdom - State

The Na'vi are a between Band and Tribe. They also seem to implement the ideas of Bigman and Bigwoman in their constructs of politics.

[Zefanaya]

Yes, but Neytiri is Tsahík, I doubt she can be both-it would disrupt the balance. Also at the very end of the film Jake is seen wearing the same necklace-thing that Etukan and Tsu'Tey wore, so it's safe to assume that it's the Na'vi version of a crown.

I can't believe I missed that...

hey one thing I just noticed is that Etukan had a large head peice in the movie, was the meaningful or just something he wore because Jake was not wearing he wore what he made.



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