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Fmawnti stolawm srak? Have you heard the news?
« on: September 01, 2018, 07:54:02 am »
Fmawnti stolawm srak? Have you heard the news?
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Ma eylan, did you hear that TIME Magazine has recognized our beloved theme park in Orlando, Florida, Pandora—The World of Avatar—as one of the “World’s Greatest Places” for 2018? Meuia atxan leiu, kefyak?


Last night I had the pleasure of attending a talk at USC (the University of Southern California, my alma mater) given by Joe Rohde, the dynamic head of Walt Disney Imagineering, the Disney division devoted to the theme parks. As such, he was the major creative force at Disney behind Pandora. His talk was stimulating—I hope it will eventually be available online—and I hope to have some comments relating to what he spoke about in a later post.

For now, here are a few new vocabulary items I hope you’ll find useful.

fpxamo (adj., FPXA.mo) ‘terrible, horrible, awful’

This word allows us to complete the analogy sìltsan : kosman :: fe’ :______.

   Mawkrra fko lie soli tìlenur afpxamo fìtxan, tìrey ke lu teng kawkrr.
   ‘After experiencing such a terrible event, life is never the same.’

Derivation:

tìfpxamo (n., tì.FPXA.mo) ‘horror’

nìfpxamo (adv., nì.FPXA.mo) ‘horribly, terribly, awfully’

   Fpängìl oe, txonam oe rolol nìfpxamo.
   ‘Sadly, I think I sang terribly last night.’


tsyul (vtr.) ‘begin, start’

Tsyul is more or less synonymous with the word for ‘begin’ we’re already familiar with, sngä’i, but its use is a bit different, since it’s transitive.

   Pol tìkangkemit tsyolul.
   ‘He began the work.’

We can use tsyul in an intransitive construction by adding the reflexive infix <äp>:

   Tìkangkem tsyäpolul.
   ‘The work began.’

With the derived noun, however, there’s an important difference in meaning:

tìtsyul (n., tì.TSYUL) ‘beginning, start’

As you know, sngä’i yields two words for ‘beginning,’ one specifically for the time at which something starts, sngä’ikrr, and one specifically for the place at which something starts, sngä’itseng. Tìtsyul, on the other hand, is a general word for ‘beginning’ that’s neutral as to time or place.

   Sìtsyul nìwotx lu ngäzìk.
   ‘All beginnings are difficult.’


nawang (vin., NA.wang, inf. 1, 2) ‘merge, become one with’

Nawang implies that two things have come together to become one, so that the original separateness is lost. We use hu to show that A has merged with B:

   Tìmuntxamaw lam Ninatur fwa tirea sneyä nolawang hu pum muntxatuä.
   ‘After her marriage, it seemed to Ninat that her soul had merged with that of her mate.’


lamaytxa (n., la.may.TXA) ‘flood’

A lamaytxa is a flood or a powerful gathering of water. It’s not clear what the etymology of the word is, although the last syllable may have evolved from txan.

   Lamaytxal atxan pxaya kelkut skola’änga.
   ‘The great flood sadly destroyed many homes.’

(Question: Where does the stress fall in skola’änga)


And finally, a word we’ve lacked for a long time:

oare (n., o.A.re) ‘moon’

Naranawm has fourteen moons revolving around it—including Eywa’eveng!—so it should be possible to see up to thirteen moons in the Pandoran sky. Each of these probably has a specific name in Na’vi, but it’s also clear that there must be a generic term for ‘moon.’ This is oare.

   Polpxaya oaret tse’a ngal mì saw pxiset?
   ‘How many moons do you see in the sky right now?’

By the way, I had an interesting discussion with one of our ayhapxìtu lì’fyaolo’ä about whether or not the Na’vi realize that Pandora is in fact a moon of Naranawm. I hope Neytiri won’t mind my sharing her astute analysis with you:

“As for moon, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Na’vi were aware that Pandora is a moon. They are certainly very aware of the other moons and their patterns, so I don’t think it would be a stretch for them to realise that they orbit Naranawm as well. We know about the ‘circular drums’ whose ‘size and arrangement of the individual drums within the ring reflect Pandora’s solar system.’ And we know that the uses for waytelem ayllis to record history, including astronomy, going back 18,000 years.”


That’s it for now. Hayalovay!



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Re: Fmawnti stolawm srak? Have you heard the news?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2018, 08:02:24 am »
So it's really great that Paul Frommer gave us official word for Moon (this really missed) but I still like term Tsawke txonä :P ;D

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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2018, 10:12:31 am »
The significance (semantic, semiologic, cultural) of a "moon" could be vastly different between Earth's and Pandora's. Oare could be considered a generic term for "a moon" but Tsawke txonä could still be a name (like "Luna")

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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2018, 10:26:39 am »
The significance (semantic, semiologic, cultural) of a "moon" could be vastly different between Earth's and Pandora's. Oare could be considered a generic term for "a moon" but Tsawke txonä could still be a name (like "Luna")
Very good idea! Tsawke txonä just for our Moon :)

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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2018, 11:37:30 am »
Yes I agree :) Oare is a generic name for a moon such as a moon of jupiter. Although we on Earth like to give the name of our moon more meaning such as "THE moon". I think calling our moon "Tsawke txonä" gives the name a bit of meaning :)


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Re: Fmawnti stolawm srak? Have you heard the news?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2018, 11:43:59 am »
People here also called our Moon as 'eylan 'rrtä (friend of the Earth). However I used more Tsawke txonä - it sound such nice :)

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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2018, 11:45:00 am »
People here also called our Moon as 'eylan 'rrtä (friend of the Earth). However I used more Tsawke txonä - it sound such nice :)

I think both are relevant and give a bit of significance to our companion :)


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Re: Fmawnti stolawm srak? Have you heard the news?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2018, 11:55:48 am »
Yeah, Tsawke txonä would be good term for our Moon, but on pandorian sky Polyphemus is real "tsawke txonä" ;D
(for Polyphemus we already have word: "Naranawm")

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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2018, 12:30:56 pm »
Srane :) Oe tsun ronsrivelngop lora 'ur :)



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Re: Fmawnti stolawm srak? Have you heard the news?
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2018, 12:48:40 pm »
Srane :) Oe tsun ronsrivelngop lora 'ur :)
Better: Oel tsun ronsrelngivop tsa'uti alor :)

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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2018, 12:50:44 pm »
Irayo :) I was going for: I can imagine the beautiful sight. haha


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Re: Fmawnti stolawm srak? Have you heard the news?
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2018, 01:47:27 pm »
Irayo :) I was going for: I can imagine the beautiful sight. haha

Oe tsun ronsrelngivop lora ’urti then ;)

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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2018, 02:04:25 pm »
Oe tsun ronsrelngivop lora ’urti then ;)

Should "oe" be "oel" if paired with "'urti" ? Sorry, i'm still getting to grips with new grammar haha
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2018, 03:21:11 pm »
I think not, because "oe" refers to "tsun" which is intransitive

Oe tsun -> ronsrelngivop (oel) lora ’urti

As for the name of the Moon, once I imagined the name 'Rrta'eveng (by analogy to Eywa'eveng) based on the fact that geologically the moon broke off from early Earth.

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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2018, 03:35:29 pm »
Yeah i got that cleared up, i now understand the modal verbs are intrasitive :)

 
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As for the name of the Moon, once I imagined the name 'Rrta'eveng (by analogy to Eywa'eveng) based on the fact that geologically the moon broke off from early Earth.

Ah, and that is smart, i like it :)


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As for the name of the Moon, once I imagined the name 'Rrta'eveng (by analogy to Eywa'eveng) based on the fact that geologically the moon broke off from early Earth.
Yeah, this is excellent idea :)

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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2018, 11:53:36 pm »
People here also called our Moon as 'eylan 'rrtä (friend of the Earth). However I used more Tsawke txonä - it sound such nice :)

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Re: Fmawnti stolawm srak? Have you heard the news?
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2018, 07:39:23 am »
Beware the edit:

tieea has been changed to vitra ;)

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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2018, 10:02:19 am »
Interesting, he said:
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Thanks. I’ve now changed tirea to vitra. I find I keep confusing the terms, probably because I’m not sure exactly what the difference is between spirit and soul.
Really interesting, I would say that there is difference between spirit and soul ???

Neytiri wrote interesting ideas about it in discussion:

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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2018, 02:07:19 pm »
Who is this Neytiri?  :-\

 

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