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Re: LEP Vocabulary
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2010, 06:21:13 pm »
Also notable: it seems that when Frommer talks about Na'vi words in Na'vi, he uses lì'u alu word ("Tsalì’uri alu zeyko", "tsalì’u alu zeykuso") or even just word alone ("*Zeykäpo lu keyawr.") rather than anything involving san...sìk, like most of us have been doing. Maybe san...sìk is only supposed to be used with verbs describing a communication (like plltxe, pawm, or pamrel si).
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Re: LEP Vocabulary
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2010, 06:51:51 pm »
Yeah - I suggested san/sìk only being for actual quotations a while back, and some people did agree, but we didn't have an alternative then. Now we do.


Before I had "alu", I was actually using the genitive - for example, "could not find the server http://example.com/" would go to "ke tsamun rivun lusìma eltuti lefngap http://example.com/ä" - "could not find the server of http://example.com/". I'll have to go through and change all the ones I can find... I doubt using the genitive is all too correct. But no more incorrect than using san/sìk, IMHO.
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Re: LEP Vocabulary
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2010, 12:37:24 am »
Also notable: it seems that when Frommer talks about Na'vi words in Na'vi, he uses lì'u alu word ("Tsalì’uri alu zeyko", "tsalì’u alu zeykuso") or even just word alone ("*Zeykäpo lu keyawr.") rather than anything involving san...sìk, like most of us have been doing. Maybe san...sìk is only supposed to be used with verbs describing a communication (like plltxe, pawm, or pamrel si).

Yeah, I don't know how this took over, but I remember fighting against it for a bit when the "Na'vi Nì'aw" board was created and then giving up. "San.. sìk" is for reported speech only (thoughts are possible too, if I remember); I don't think Dr. Frommer has used it any other way.

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Re: LEP Vocabulary
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2010, 02:49:54 am »
My understanding is that in English, "Reported speech" means indirect speech (He says he would come) vs direct speech (He said, "I would come"), and as we know Na'vi only has direct speech.

However direct speech doesn't mean it was exactly what was said...  Or even it ever was said.  For example Frommer has used it in answers, quoting himself as how he would answer something, as the answer.

But that certainly isn't the same as using it for a word.  I had used it, but it always seemed rather cumbersome and wrong when I did...  So mainly it was lack of an alternative.
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Re: LEP Vocabulary
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2010, 04:28:30 am »
It didn't seem good to me, but seemed the least bad option (like nì'aw meaning merely), now I'll be sure to use alu.
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Re: LEP Vocabulary
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2010, 08:55:53 am »
I think I need to name a computer "säfpìl atxukx" ;D

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Re: LEP Vocabulary
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2010, 09:05:00 am »
DO IT.
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Re: LEP Vocabulary
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2010, 10:54:28 am »
Oeyä tìpawmìri tìeyng:

Quote from: Pawl
@Kemaweyan: Ngeyä tìpawmìri irayo, ma Kemaweyan. Nìngay lu ngar tìyawr, lu ngar tìkxey.

Now that's the fourth example of an asyndetic1, parallel phrase from Pawl.

1Asyndeton is when you smash clauses together without a joining conjunction.
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Re: LEP Vocabulary
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2010, 03:20:55 pm »
Yeah. And I think phreses "ngaru tìkxey" and "ngaru tìyawr" are short forms of "lu ngaru tìkxey" and "lu ngaru tìyawr".
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Re: LEP Vocabulary
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2010, 03:32:36 pm »
Yeah. And I think phreses "ngaru tìkxey" and "ngaru tìyawr" are short forms of "lu ngaru tìkxey" and "lu ngaru tìyawr".
Really? Where did you see those forms? I can't remember seeing any verbs being omitted, not even lu.
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Re: LEP Vocabulary
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2010, 03:43:33 pm »
Yeah. And I think phreses "ngaru tìkxey" and "ngaru tìyawr" are short forms of "lu ngaru tìkxey" and "lu ngaru tìyawr".
Really? Where did you see those forms? I can't remember seeing any verbs being omitted, not even lu.

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Re: LEP Vocabulary
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2010, 04:14:33 pm »
"lu" is ommitted all the time.

"Ngaru tìkxey" and "ngaru tìyawr" are common examples for just "You're wrong" and "you're right"...  But there's also phrases like "Eywa ngahu (livu)"...

And then there's "txo nga new rivey, (ziva'u) oehu".
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Re: LEP Vocabulary
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2010, 04:17:38 pm »
Well, again, Na'vi was only ever written by sawtute - so remember, it's quite probable that Na'vi would have thought of that as being more of a semicolon-type thing, but sawtute stuck with commas for everything when writing Na'vi for simplicity.
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