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Spring Vocabulary, Part 1
« on: March 28, 2012, 04:00:01 pm »
Spring Vocabulary, Part 1



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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 1
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2012, 05:03:46 pm »
Txantsan! Tivìng nari pxiswaway. :D
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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 1
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2012, 06:05:53 pm »
Wou!  Tsat yawne lu oer!

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 1
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2012, 08:16:41 pm »
Wou!  Tsat yawne lu oer!
Nìngay tsaw yawne lu oer nìteng! :D

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 1
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2012, 02:44:11 pm »
Well, very useful post, with words we need. But what is unclear to me is term "ambitransitive" verb.
It's clear to me that transitive verb can be used without object, so it works like intransitive, but this construction was often called "antipassive". So are these two terms equivalent or is there any difference?
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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 1
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2012, 07:14:54 pm »
Interesting question. I’m afraid, someone more versed in linguistics needs to answer that.

I was actually surprised to see the rule about ’ll and ’rr not changing by lenition before ay+
me+ and pxe+ I get because ll and rr can’t start a syllable. But wouldn’t *ayllngo just syllabify as {a.yll.ngo}?

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 1
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2012, 08:54:08 pm »
I was actually surprised to see the rule about ’ll and ’rr not changing by lenition before ay+
me+ and pxe+ I get because ll and rr can’t start a syllable. But wouldn’t *ayllngo just syllabify as {a.yll.ngo}?

It may be best to simply think of this as a rule.
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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 1
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2012, 11:59:19 am »
Just want to make sure that nobody missed this in the comments as well:


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Mikko Wilson says:
March 31, 2012 at 10:12 pm

Ma Pawl,

I’ve been trying to find the word(s) to express something common on Pandora we also have where I live; and I think, hope, you may have just provided the necessary parts to say it as correctly as possible – unless there is a specific word (/created) for it.

What might I be (trying to be) referring to if I said: Tawsyuratan ?

Irayo,

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Pawl says:
April 1, 2012 at 8:38 am

Ìì . . . I would guess that tawsyuratan (lì’u alor!) refers to the aurora. Oeru tìyawr srak? :-)
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Mikko Wilson says:
April 1, 2012 at 11:49 am

Srane! Txantsan! :)

I’ll use that until/unless a more specific word is created.

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April 1, 2012 at 5:51 pm

We don’t need a more specific word. The one you created is now officially the word for aurora! :-)

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 1
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2012, 09:36:14 am »

Pawl says:
April 1, 2012 at 5:51 pm

We don’t need a more specific word. The one you created is now officially the word for aurora! :-)

Well done. Huzzah for impromptu innovation.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2012, 03:34:00 pm by Temsko »

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 1
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2012, 10:16:32 pm »
Interesting question. I’m afraid, someone more versed in linguistics needs to answer that.

I was actually surprised to see the rule about ’ll and ’rr not changing by lenition before ay+
me+ and pxe+ I get because ll and rr can’t start a syllable. But wouldn’t *ayllngo just syllabify as {a.yll.ngo}?

Prefixed ay always stays together in a syllable, because it is a diphthong, or basically . Ex: ay-ik-ran but not *a-yi-kran. The latter would sound like there's some adjective *yikran that modifies a noun before it.
Previously Ithisa Kīranem, Uniltìrantokx te Skxawng.

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 1
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2012, 01:03:51 am »
Interesting question. I’m afraid, someone more versed in linguistics needs to answer that.

I was actually surprised to see the rule about ’ll and ’rr not changing by lenition before ay+
me+ and pxe+ I get because ll and rr can’t start a syllable. But wouldn’t *ayllngo just syllabify as {a.yll.ngo}?

Prefixed ay always stays together in a syllable, because it is a diphthong, or basically . Ex: ay-ik-ran but not *a-yi-kran. The latter would sound like there's some adjective *yikran that modifies a noun before it.
Not sure about it. There's rule that if ay/ey is followed by vowel, it is not diphthong (ya.yo, not yay.o; also: syllable can't end by -y).
"kran" syllable is prohibited; in CCVC syllables first C can be just s, ts or f. So it can be a.yik.ran. IMHO rules for syllabification aren't clearly given, on the other hand - are they necessary? Is syllabification important in some way?
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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 1
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2012, 02:55:12 am »
That’s what I ask myself a lot lately, ma BE ;)
Because there seems to be a rising amount of questions these past few months concerning syllabification

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 1
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2012, 09:53:40 am »
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There's rule that if ay/ey is followed by vowel, it is not diphthong (ya.yo, not yay.o; also: syllable can't end by -y).
I think that only applies in base words, and even there, there are exceptions (tsway.on) being an example.

I have never heard anybody pronounce ayikran as a.yik.ran before, only as ay.ik.ran.
Previously Ithisa Kīranem, Uniltìrantokx te Skxawng.

Name from my Sakaš conlang, from Sakasul Ältäbisäl Acarankïp

"First name" is Ačankif, not Eltabiš! In Na'vi, Atsankip.

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 1
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2012, 11:24:38 am »
 love the syuratan and syura concept  ;D
yuey is a li'u alor too!
kosman!
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