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Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« on: June 19, 2012, 03:00:01 pm »
Spring Vocabulary, Part 3



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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2012, 03:08:09 pm »
Txilte Rinisì täpare fìtsap nìsoaia, slä tsalsungay ke nìolo’ takrra Rini muntxa slolu.
‘Txilte and Rini are related by blood, but nevertheless not by clan since the time Rini got married.’

So, Naʼvi clans can be exogamous (they marry members of other clans), and women join their husband's clan. Something I didn't know hidden in the vocabulary examples!

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2012, 03:47:27 pm »
Interesting cultural tidbit … however, this sentence came directly from the LEP committee. Maybe we shouldn’t take the implications for that too wide … it’s an example sentence tha should illustrate the use of so’ha.

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2012, 09:22:40 pm »
Vol as the <ol> form of vll? I thought vol was eight. Confusing.

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2012, 09:29:57 pm »
Vol as the <ol> form of vll? I thought vol was eight. Confusing.

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2012, 09:39:52 pm »
Vol as the <ol> form of vll? I thought vol was eight. Confusing.

Vol is also eight.  It's only confusing in isolation.  Somehow English speakers always keep the meanings of /tu/ straight between "to", "too" and "two." :)
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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2012, 09:47:15 pm »
I guess I was just hoping Na'vi wouldn't get into that.  :-\

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2012, 09:54:50 pm »
I guess I was just hoping Na'vi wouldn't get into that.  :-\

Why?  The two vols could only ever be confused if, for some reason, a complete stranger walked up to you on the street, uttered just that syllable, and walked away.  That's just not how communication works in practice.
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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2012, 05:08:06 am »
I guess I was just hoping Na'vi wouldn't get into that.  :-\

Alright, how often are you (or anyone) going to use vol to indicate (no pun intended) "eight" versus "...has indicated/pointed out"? It's all context, anyway, baby!

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2012, 06:40:21 am »
I’m just surprised that it’s the bare form ‹ol›, I thought infixes never get stressed. :-\

Vol as the <ol> form of vll? I thought vol was eight. Confusing.

Vol is also eight.  It's only confusing in isolation.  Somehow English speakers always keep the meanings of /tu/ straight between "to", "too" and "two." :)
I’m reminded of Adele’s “Someone like you” … one line says “I wish nothing but the best for you /tu/” … I always understood it as “you two” … everyone else disagrees with me :P

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2012, 07:51:48 am »
IIRC, numbers are adjectives, so vol "eight" in use should appear as vola or avol.

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2012, 10:21:31 am »
Hmmm, I don't know about that. I guess it depends the mathematical philosophy of the Na'vi. Do they regard numbers as entities? Would that be another Cameron question?

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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2012, 02:16:29 pm »
I found a new word in Pawl's comment:

  Mengeyä aylì'u oeru teya si. Fula horen sì aylì'fyavi amip lesar sayi mengar oeti nitram 'eykefu nìtxan.

I guess it means something like «come in handy» :)
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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2012, 03:03:27 pm »
IIRC, numbers are adjectives, so vol "eight" in use should appear as vola or avol.
This. IMO there is very small chance of confusion, vol without -a- should be always verb.
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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2012, 05:30:02 pm »
I’m just surprised that it’s the bare form ‹ol›, I thought infixes never get stressed. :-\
This interests me as well. But I think this is not related to stress, but to the l+ll assimilation. rr and ll need consonant onset, thus "voll" is illegal combination.
I am comfortable with idea that Karyu Pawl selected the vol variant rather to inserting some consonant to make ll fit.
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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2012, 10:08:41 pm »
We've had an interesting issue for a while regarding the causatives sleyku and 'eykefu.  Back in 2010 someone got email from Paul with sleyku X-ti ADJ for "make X feel ADJ."  However, at about the same time, some people started using the causative of 'efu basically the same way.

In a comment on this post, Paul uses 'eykefu for what I think is the first time, fula... oeti nitram 'eykefu nìtxan.
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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2012, 10:21:01 pm »
You're right. But I think.. we could feel free about this. 'Efu nitram, slu nitram.. probably there is no difference. Just say as it's comfortably to you :)
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Re: Spring Vocabulary, Part 3
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2012, 01:50:16 pm »
Vll + <ol> = vol... nì'it hek.  I always thought stressed syllables collapse to just the pseudovowel.  Tse, exception to the rule?

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