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Offline linganthprof

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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2011, 11:21:04 am »
If you are in Canada, the Globe and Mail also has an article today (2nd page). The on-line version isn't up yet, but I can post it when it is.


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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2011, 11:31:21 am »
The Na'vi typo

"learnavi.org", "kalxi" :P

That's 2 Na'vi related typos.



Not the first person to make the Learnavi.org typo. Good thing I bought that domain a while ago as well. :)

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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2011, 12:33:12 pm »
If you are in Canada, the Globe and Mail also has an article today (2nd page). The on-line version isn't up yet, but I can post it when it is.

That would be awesome! :D Unfortunately I don't get the Global Mail. :(

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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2011, 02:12:18 pm »
Txantsan! Irayo seiyi ngaru ma linganthprof. :)
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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2011, 02:15:14 pm »

"learnavi.org", "kalxi" :P

That's 2 Na'vi related typos.
learnavi is correct - two same letters elides into one ;D Or is it valid for vowels only?
Anyway good article. First one where someone mentions me :)
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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2011, 03:55:43 pm »
Am i the only one who can't access the article?  :-\
they killed the [you] tag

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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2011, 04:02:05 pm »
The Na'vi typo

"learnavi.org", "kalxi" :P

That's 2 Na'vi related typos.



Not the first person to make the Learnavi.org typo. Good thing I bought that domain a while ago as well. :)

Oh! I never noticed...that wasn't a bad idea.
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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2011, 01:15:31 am »
The Na'vi typo

"learnavi.org", "kalxi" :P

That's 2 Na'vi related typos.



Not the first person to make the Learnavi.org typo. Good thing I bought that domain a while ago as well. :)

More foolproof ;) I had never noticed until now.

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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2011, 02:35:30 pm »
Hello again,

Here is the article from the Globe and Mail (Canada's National Newspaper). You'll have to let me know if they got THEIR Na'vi right!   ;)

http://aol.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/aolstory/TGAM/20110808/NWAVATAR0808ATL

A friend of mine in Hong Kong has also seen a version of the story written in Chinese!  Also, yesterday Dr. Frommer and I were both on a radio program in Manitoba, on CJOB 68, and that was a very good interview as well. I'm still surprised by all the media attention!

Last, I agree what a great idea buying the learnavi.org domain as well.  Foolproof is right!

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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2011, 02:36:27 pm »
Am i the only one who can't access the article?  :-\

Are you trying from your phone? It wouldn't open for me on there, but only on my computer. Just a possibility.

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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2011, 02:48:47 pm »
Irayo fpi pamrel amip ma Christine! :)
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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #51 on: August 10, 2011, 12:40:50 am »
Am i the only one who can't access the article?  :-\

Are you trying from your phone? It wouldn't open for me on there, but only on my computer. Just a possibility.
yea on my iPhone
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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #52 on: August 10, 2011, 12:45:40 am »
Here is the article from the Globe and Mail (Canada's National Newspaper). You'll have to let me know if they got THEIR Na'vi right!   ;)

* 'Oma Tirear sunu fìfmawn

...and no Na'vi errors :)

Although there is this one, related to lenition:

Irayo fpi famrel amip

Better understood as Pamrelìri amip, (seiyi) irayo.

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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #53 on: August 10, 2011, 02:32:16 am »
Hello again,

Here is the article from the Globe and Mail (Canada's National Newspaper). You'll have to let me know if they got THEIR Na'vi right!   ;)


Txonä Rolyur sunu fì’u

Yup, no mistakes, tho I don't know why they didn't just use yemstokx and say "fori mawkrra rentenit yolemstokx holum" instead of 'after they had adorned themselves with goggles...' Lol. I suppose it sounds nicer that way. And also, the second <ol> infix isn't necessary because it's already been established in "yolemstokx" (or in their example, "säpoli") that the actions are completed and Na'vi doesn't usually "repeat itself" like this. It's not an error, just wanted to point that out :)

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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #54 on: August 10, 2011, 03:25:40 am »
Ma txona, wasn't that covered in the blog entry? I seem to remember goggles being among the items with which one uses "adorn _ with" rather than "put on"

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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2011, 04:26:49 am »
Ma txona, wasn't that covered in the blog entry? I seem to remember goggles being among the items with which one uses "adorn _ with" rather than "put on"


Hmm. Well I don't see anything in the blog that specifically mentions that 'goggles' is to be used with "ioi si" tho it is definitely implied as goggles are listed as an 'ioi' and it says
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To put on ioi, use the si-verb ioi säpi 'adorn oneself' with fa
Perhaps you're right. *looks over the blog again* Yeah...yeah you are. It mentions the differences in putting on ioi and putting on pxen. I had apparently forgotten that. I wonder why Frommer used the <ol> infix twice in the sentence...

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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2011, 05:57:12 am »
Ma txona, wasn't that covered in the blog entry? I seem to remember goggles being among the items with which one uses "adorn _ with" rather than "put on"


Hmm. Well I don't see anything in the blog that specifically mentions that 'goggles' is to be used with "ioi si" tho it is definitely implied as goggles are listed as an 'ioi' and it says
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To put on ioi, use the si-verb ioi säpi 'adorn oneself' with fa
Perhaps you're right. *looks over the blog again* Yeah...yeah you are. It mentions the differences in putting on ioi and putting on pxen. I had apparently forgotten that. I wonder why Frommer used the <ol> infix twice in the sentence...

-Txonä Rolyu



*grin* see!  I thought I remembered right!  You'd have to ask him that yourself, though, I certainly don't have any insights into his head  ;)

Still, it's great to see so much renewed interest in this subject (even if the articles are clearly borrowed almost in their entirety one from the other)

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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #57 on: August 10, 2011, 07:36:00 am »
Yeah, they just took one of Frommer's examples that he put on the blog. ;)

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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #58 on: August 10, 2011, 10:17:47 am »
I wonder why Frommer used the <ol> infix twice in the sentence...

It's the conjunction.  In many languages with the perfective, a secondary meaning it develops is the idea of "before something else in time," especially in subordinate clauses.  So, you need one perfective for the main clause, and one for the temporal subordinate clause (mawkrra ...).  If it were just two statements connected by "and" or not even connected at all, just one after the other, I wouldn't expect the perfective to be used twice.
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Re: Language of Avatar under study
« Reply #59 on: August 10, 2011, 02:45:35 pm »
I wonder why Frommer used the <ol> infix twice in the sentence...

It's the conjunction.  In many languages with the perfective, a secondary meaning it develops is the idea of "before something else in time," especially in subordinate clauses.  So, you need one perfective for the main clause, and one for the temporal subordinate clause (mawkrra ...).  If it were just two statements connected by "and" or not even connected at all, just one after the other, I wouldn't expect the perfective to be used twice.

I would think the 'binding' between a main and subordinate clause to be stronger than that between two clauses joined with 'and'. So, what you say about the use of double perfectives kind of surprises me.

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