OMG listen to JC is Saying! Na'vi to English dictonary is coming!

Loverofnature · April 19, 2010, 04:41:10 PM

http://entertainment.dk.msn.com/video/video.aspx?cp-documentid=53c9fe59-fe39-44c1-8743-7938572c1f10

subtitles are danish btw

Toruk Makto · April 19, 2010, 04:47:17 PM

Um, we already have one of those....

Loverofnature · April 19, 2010, 04:51:58 PM

haha, i know

but think about it, this is an official dict writen by Thee Father of navi himself

Toruk Makto · April 19, 2010, 04:55:14 PM

I am wondering if that means the lexical expansion is finished, or is it pushed to the back burner?

Loverofnature · April 19, 2010, 04:58:05 PM

i dont think it is done quite yet, still words that need to be added etc

Toruk Makto · April 19, 2010, 04:59:40 PM

Well, he didn't mention *when* exactly either so...

Unilfwewyu · April 19, 2010, 05:06:26 PM

Oh I hope it's not finished, I wouldbedestroyed if it ever was...Good to know they are making one, but I think it may be too soon to even release one, because at this point the language is still growing, the release itself would already be outdated

omängum fra'uti · April 19, 2010, 05:32:39 PM

I'm disappointed, no Klingon edition?

On a serious note, I hope they are doing this with Frommer's involvement.

Toruk Makto · April 19, 2010, 05:41:09 PM

How else could they do it?

Ftiafpi · April 19, 2010, 06:02:50 PM

Well, this is interesting. Is this the first time Cameron has made note of publishing the language? If so, I too want to know if he's in contact with Frommer about this? Perhaps JC has been in it all along and was part of the reason for the LEP? GAH! So many questions!

Ftiafpi casts: -SUMMON CAMERON OR FROMMER-

....your casting has failed, not enough mana.

Quote from: omängum fra'uti on April 19, 2010, 05:32:39 PM
I'm disappointed, no Klingon edition?

On a serious note, I hope they are doing this with Frommer's involvement.

Well, I guess we'll have to make a Na'vi - Klingon dictionary...next April fools perhaps?

Kätsyín te Zotxekay Tsyal’itan · April 20, 2010, 09:08:02 AM

Quote from: Unilfwewyu on April 19, 2010, 05:06:26 PM
Oh I hope it's not finished, I wouldbedestroyed if it ever was...Good to know they are making one, but I think it may be too soon to even release one, because at this point the language is still growing, the release itself would already be outdated

Thats exactly why some of the older versions of Na'vi-English and vice-versa dictionaries I have don't exist anymore on the learnnavi.org homepage, the language grew faster than the authors could keep up with. So releasing one now and saying that its "THE" dictionary for the Na'vi language would be foolish because it is still growing.

Skxawng · April 20, 2010, 10:27:52 AM

Quote from: Tukruyä Tsamsiyu on April 20, 2010, 09:08:02 AM
Thats exactly why some of the older versions of Na'vi-English and vice-versa dictionaries I have don't exist anymore on the learnnavi.org homepage, the language grew faster than the authors could keep up with. So releasing one now and saying that its "THE" dictionary for the Na'vi language would be foolish because it is still growing.

Unless putting one out now would mean that they could release further installments of the dictionary to sell at additional profit.

Kätsyín te Zotxekay Tsyal’itan · April 20, 2010, 10:29:21 AM

Quote from: Skxawng on April 20, 2010, 10:27:52 AM
Quote from: Tukruyä Tsamsiyu on April 20, 2010, 09:08:02 AM
Thats exactly why some of the older versions of Na'vi-English and vice-versa dictionaries I have don't exist anymore on the learnnavi.org homepage, the language grew faster than the authors could keep up with. So releasing one now and saying that its "THE" dictionary for the Na'vi language would be foolish because it is still growing.

Unless putting one out now would mean that they could release further installments of the dictionary to sell at additional profit.

True, but that would be a low blow to anyone that wanted to learn the language without paying through the nose to do so.

Carborundum · April 20, 2010, 11:28:03 AM

I'm not sure I like this. If it happens, it will kill any fan-created dictionaries, since those would become copyrighted material. So it would mean bye-bye Taronyu's Dictionary and the appendix to the wikibook. It will severly decrease the influx of new learners, since one would have to pay for the dictionary before even starting to learn.

Kätsyín te Zotxekay Tsyal’itan · April 20, 2010, 02:18:31 PM

Quote from: Carborundum on April 20, 2010, 11:28:03 AM
I'm not sure I like this. If it happens, it will kill any fan-created dictionaries, since those would become copyrighted material. So it would mean bye-bye Taronyu's Dictionary and the appendix to the wikibook. It will severly decrease the influx of new learners, since one would have to pay for the dictionary before even starting to learn.

It would not become copyrighted material if they release it to us and declare that it is in the public domain and the forfeit any rights to make any profit from the dictionary, but that isn't likely to happen.

Ftiafpi · April 20, 2010, 03:20:45 PM

Quote from: Carborundum on April 20, 2010, 11:28:03 AM
I'm not sure I like this. If it happens, it will kill any fan-created dictionaries, since those would become copyrighted material. So it would mean bye-bye Taronyu's Dictionary and the appendix to the wikibook. It will severly decrease the influx of new learners, since one would have to pay for the dictionary before even starting to learn.

I dunno about this. You're probably right but my understanding is they can copyright their copy of the dictionary but not any completely separately made dictionaries. Again though, this is the gray area of constructed languages so it would probably be best for us not to test this theory. GAH! I dunno, it's a weird thing. We totally need to find a lawyer in our members who can research this.

pbhead · April 20, 2010, 03:31:25 PM

ya, what happens if taronyu claims some sort of rights on his stuff before their dictionary comes out?

it would be really gay if a person can create some written material and copyright it... and then demand that the EXACT SAME STUFF already out there is an infringment... its like... ima copyright a dictionary based off of wikipeda! oh! wikipedia is infringing on my stuff! take it down!

wm.annis · April 20, 2010, 03:45:37 PM

Quote from: pbhead on April 20, 2010, 03:31:25 PMit would be really gay if a person can create some written material and copyright it...

What's really annoying is using the word "gay" this dismissive way when discussing a language invented by a gay guy.

Quoteand then demand that the EXACT SAME STUFF already out there is an infringment... its like... ima copyright a dictionary based off of wikipeda! oh! wikipedia is infringing on my stuff! take it down!

There's a long history trail on each of the three main dictionaries (Taronyu's, the Wikipedia one, the one on the LearnNavi.org wiki), and each has their own format and preoccupations. There's no way one could retroactively claim infringement this way. LN.org doesn't have the legal muscle to defend against that, nor I suspect does Taronyu, but I doubt the Wikipedia foundation would respond well to such shenanigans.

Notice also that we have three dictionaries all in existence at the same time, all kept more or less up to date. One more would not change that significantly.

Ftiafpi · April 20, 2010, 03:46:04 PM

Quote from: pbhead on April 20, 2010, 03:31:25 PM
it would be really gay if a person can create some written material and copyright it...

Watch it there! No bashing of sexual orientation please.

Col Quaritch · April 20, 2010, 03:56:33 PM

not to be the typical smart alek col but all I hear is the rining of cash regesters over this.