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Practice Sentences
« on: June 04, 2013, 06:16:01 pm »
Kaltxì, ma aytsmukan!

I've begun to write up some practice sentences in Na'vi using some basic verbs and words. I was hoping if someone could look over them and check? Irayo  :)

Oel tul kelkuti.

Poanìl tse'a ayayoti.

Ngal makto ayioangit.

Oengìl rol aytìrolti.

Oel yom fkxenti.

Ngal tìng oe aystxeli.

Ayoeng lu lefpom.


Eywa ngahu  :)

P.S. Pamrel si oe sìtsan srak?
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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2013, 06:27:25 pm »
Kaltxì, ma aytsmukan!

I've begun to write up some practice sentences in Na'vi using some basic verbs and words. I was hoping if someone could look over them and check? Irayo  :)

:D Txantsan! Awesome!

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Oel tul kelkuti.

Oe tul ne kelku.

tul is a vin. Only verbs listed as vtr. in the dictionary can cause the -l and -t endings

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Poanìl tse'a ayayoti.

Pol tse'a ayyayoti.

Pol and such is much more common than poanìl, but there's nothing wrong with it.
ayyayoti. the y doesn't merge when ay+ goes on a word starting with y

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Ngal makto ayioangit.

Righto. :D

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Oengìl rol aytìrolti.

oengal rol aysìrolti.


assuming rol is transitive (vtr.)
the a comes back from nga in oeng (and ayeng, etc.) when adding cases
ay+ causes t -> s

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Oel yom fkxenti.

Righto. :D

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Ngal tìng oe aystxeli.

Ngal tìng oeru aystxelit.

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Ayoeng lu lefpom.

ayoengaru lu fpom is more common.

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Eywa ngahu  :)

Eywa ngahu :)
« Last Edit: June 04, 2013, 06:30:35 pm by Tirea Aean »

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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 06:28:01 pm »
Hi!

Corrections:
Oe tul ne kelku (or kelkune). Ne indicates a motion towards. In that case, I run (to) home (Oe tul ne kelku).
And I follow Tirea Aean.

And a little challenge for Cybersterio:

Fìpalulukan mìn mì fkxen. ;D
« Last Edit: June 04, 2013, 08:03:53 pm by Kameyu a Kepekmì »

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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2013, 08:54:16 pm »
Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2013, 08:57:38 pm »

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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2013, 02:13:15 am »

And a little challenge for Cybersterio:

Fìpalulukan mìn mì fkxen. ;D

You are not very nice to falulukan ;)

frapalulukanìl yom veyit atxan! :)

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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2013, 04:30:59 am »
Kaltxì! Irayo ayngayä srung :)


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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2013, 07:22:21 am »
Kaltxì! Irayo ayngayä srung :)


-> Ayngeyä srungìri irayo ((seiyi oe ayngar)) :)

nìprrte' :D


And a little challenge for Cybersterio:

Fìpalulukan mìn mì fkxen. ;D

You are not very nice to falulukan ;)

frapalulukanìl yom veyit atxan! :)

OH! He meant to say thanators turn into vegetetables? :o But... for that we use slu (become) ;) I get from his sentence, "thanators turn in the vegetables" which seemed weird at the time. I noticed that he did many many edits to that sentence, which at one point was very long and complicated and silly. ;D

also, -> veyt

With nouns ending in ey, the -it ending becomes simply t. Example: keyeyt ‘errors’ (not *keyeyit) [...]

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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2013, 07:25:28 am »
Srungìri ayngeyä irayo. You must use topic to indicate for what you thank. Also we usually say srungìri ayngeyä oe seiyi irayo.

Seiyi is si with infix -ei-. It becomes iyi because ii is forbidden in Na'vi.

Ma Tirea, you're ninja ;D
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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2013, 07:29:35 am »
Ma Tirea, you're ninja ;D

Righto. ;D I'm back on my game. Nice explanation, too. :)

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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2013, 12:32:54 pm »
OH! He meant to say thanators turn into vegetetables? :o But... for that we use slu (become) ;) I get from his sentence, "thanators turn in the vegetables" which seemed weird at the time. I noticed that he did many many edits to that sentence, which at one point was very long and complicated and silly. ;D
It sounds like he wants to say: Fìpalulukan  käpìm mi fkxen -> This thanator spins in vegetables. Gives more sense?
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2013, 12:48:53 pm »
OH! He meant to say thanators turn into vegetetables? :o But... for that we use slu (become) ;) I get from his sentence, "thanators turn in the vegetables" which seemed weird at the time. I noticed that he did many many edits to that sentence, which at one point was very long and complicated and silly. ;D
It sounds like he wants to say: Fìpalulukan  käpìm mi fkxen -> This thanator spins in vegetables. Gives more sense?

Yes, actually. Even though that is still a weird situation. ;D

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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2013, 04:22:49 pm »
Well, I said: This thanator spins on a vegetable (Fìpalulukan kìm fkxen).  ;D I'm funny, huh? Maybe sìn is better?
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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2013, 12:39:20 am »
Well, I said: This thanator spins on a vegetable (Fìpalulukan kìm fkxen).  ;D I'm funny, huh? Maybe sìn is better?
originakly you used mìn, what means "turn, rotate on axis". That meaning creates strange meaning. I confuse these two often too.
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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2013, 01:44:46 am »
Kalxtì, ma aysmukan  :) Today I have been practising sentences including modal verbs. Hope you can check them out :) Irayo

Oe zene yivom aysyuve

Oel kan tivul ne kelkuti

Nga zenke rival mìfa

Oel new tivaron ayioang


Trray oel pamrel sayi hu "adjectives".

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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2013, 02:00:02 am »
Oe zene yivom aysyuvet

syuve is a direct object of transitive verb yom. Also I think syuve is uncountable noun, so we can't use ay+ with that.

Oel kan tivul ne kelkuti

We don't use agentive case with modal constructions. But there is an exception. If word order is like this:

  subject - object - modal verb - verb

you can use agentive optionally. Also we don't use cases with adpositions.

Nga zenke rivol mìfa

The verb ral does not exist, this word is a noun that means "a meaning". The verb "to sing" in Na'vi would be rol.

Oel new tivaron ayioangit

Again agentive with modal verbs and ayioang is a direct object, so use patience. But you could say

  Oel ayioangit new tivaron.

because of word order.

Trray oel pamrel sayi hu "adjectives".

The verb pamrel si is intransitive in Na'vi. We never use subjects in agentive case with intransitive verbs.
Nìrangal frapo tsirvun pivlltxe nìNa'vi :D

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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2013, 03:05:32 am »
Irayo, ma Kemaweyan. In regards to the "ral" I think that was a typo :P Oops!

Nìmun, irayo  :)

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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2013, 05:30:01 am »
I've decided to focus a bit more on the cases and their appropriate endings. Here we go :)

Oe kä ne kelku (subjunctive)
I go home

Oe-l yom fkxen-it (agentive and patientive)
I eat a vegetable

Oe-yä ikran-ìl y<ay>om ay-fayoang-ti (genitive, agentive and patientive)
My ikran will eat fish

Oe-l tìng tsko-ti oe-yä tsmukan-ur (dative, genitive, agentive and patientive)
I give the bow to my brother

Irayo :)

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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2013, 06:15:29 am »
Oe-yä ikran-ìl y<ay>om ay-fayoang-it (genitive, agentive and patientive)
My ikran will eat fish

Generally we use -it after consonants. Though there is an example Kelutralti in the movie. So perhaps it is not a mistake. But ayfayoangti sounds quite unnatural :)

Rest sentences are perfect ;)
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Re: Practice Sentences
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2013, 06:41:09 am »
Kalxtì, ma aysmukan  :) Today I have been practising sentences including modal verbs. Hope you can check them out :) Irayo

Cool :)

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Oe zene yivom aysyuve

Oe zene yivom syuvet(i)


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Oel kan tivul ne kelkuti

Oe kan tivul ne kelku


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Nga zenke rival mìfa

Nga zenke rivol mìfa


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Oel new tivaron ayioang

Oe new tivaron ayioangit

If you want to use -l with the -t, you can say this (but only if the two nouns are right next to each other, and mostly before the verbs):

Oel ayioangit new tivaron
Oel suyuveti zene yivom

and such. Check out this page about word order and stuffs about this kind of modal structure:
http://naviteri.org/2011/03/word-order-and-case-marking-with-modals/

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Trray oel pamrel sayi hu "adjectives".

Trray oe pamrel sayi hu nì'Ìnglìsì adjectives

Finally, what happens if you’re groping for a word or expression that’s not there, and no circumlocution comes to mind? Assuming you share another language with your audience, rather than having communication come to a screeching halt it’s better to insert the needed word or expression in the language you both know into the Na’vi sentence, preceded by nì’Ìnglìsì, nìFranse, nìToitsye, nìTsyungwen, etc. E.g., Sunu oeru nì’Ìnglìsì basketball nìtxan. (Of course, if you were Na’vi, you’d be more likely to pronounce “basketball” something like päsketpol, so that would be fine in this context as well.)

Awesome. :D Adjectives can be fun!
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