Word Football Game

[Sireayä mokri]

I'm also not sure if we can use spaw+patientive to say believe in, but so far it's probably the best choice anyway.

[Tanri]

Zusawkrr suteru lu a spaw tìlorit sì tìtxurit peyä ayunilä.
"Those people have future, who believe in beauty and power of their dreams."
Oel tse'eia futa lì'fya leNa'vi tsun piveng säfpìlit a lu txantslusam sì txukx nìfya'o a lu lor nìtxan.

I'm also not sure if we can use spaw+patientive to say believe in, but so far it's probably the best choice anyway.

Spaw is transitive, so i think "to believe in something" or even "to believe someone" is correct.

Let the flow of interesting thoughts continue...
Tìvawmìri txopu ke seri tute a poru txon zola'u nìprrte' fte po tivìng nari sanhìr.

[Sireayä mokri]

Spaw is transitive, so i think "to believe in something" or even "to believe someone" is correct.

Indeed, to believe someone would be correct usage — this is how Pawl used it (spivaw oeti rutxe). However, to believe in something has slightly different meaning, so there can be a different construction for this type of expression.

[Blue Elf]

Zusawkrr suteru lu a spaw tìlorit sì tìtxurit peyä ayunilä.
"Those people have future, who believe in beauty and power of their dreams."

Correct. Quote translated from Czech version: Future belongs to those, who believe in beauty and power of their dreams.
However, original English quote is shorter: "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."

Oel tse'eia futa lì'fya leNa'vi tsun piveng säfpìlit a lu txantslusam sì txukx nìfya'o a lu lor nìtxan.

Tsa'u lu sunu oeru kop.

Tìvawmìri txopu ke seri tute a poru txon zola'u nìprrte' fte po tivìng nari sanhìr.

As for darkness, person, which welcomed night to look at stars, doesn't fear.

My question - wouldn't be better to use ... fte po nivìng sanhìr ? We have three words in Na'vi to express "seeing":
- Tìng nari (look), according me it is used to express fact, that you are looking, but without specifying where ot what you are looking at
- Nìn (look at) - used when looking at something specific
- Tse'a (see) - used when talking about something you physicaly see
Am I correct?

[Sireayä mokri]

Tsa'u lu sunu oeru kop nìteng.

You don't need lu here, sunu is a verb on its own. And kop means also as in addition; to say also as the same way, you need nìteng.

My question - wouldn't be better to use ... fte po nivìng sanhìr ?

Then it should be pol nivìn sanhìt: nìn is transitive. But I think tìng nari is better here; nìn is generally used in cases like turn your attention to that right now or look at that.

Btw, just noticed, in that quote about future, tìtxur is not a good choice, because it means physical power, wheres here you're rather talking about "mental straight", so it should be tìseykxel.

[Blue Elf]

Tsa'u lu sunu oeru kop nìteng.

You don't need lu here, sunu is a verb on its own. And kop means also as in addition; to say also as the same way, you need nìteng.

My question - wouldn't be better to use ... fte po nivìng sanhìr ?

Then it should be pol nivìn sanhìt: nìn is transitive. But I think tìng nari is better here; nìn is generally used in cases like turn your attention to that right now or look at that.

Btw, just noticed, in that quote about future, tìtxur is not a good choice, because it means physical power, wheres here you're rather talking about "mental straight", so it should be tìseykxel.

Irayo for corrections. However, I'm not sure about kop. Dictionary say's nothing about difference between kop and nìteng. I wanted to say:
"That is pleasant for me too".

If I compare it with these samples:
A: Oeru lu fpom. B: Oeru kop -> A: I'm fine. B: Me too.
A: Oel ayerikit taron. B: Taron oel kop. -> A: I hunt hexapedes. B: I hunt them too.,
I think kop can be used in my sentence. What goes wrong?

[Sireayä mokri]

In both of these sentences kop is incorrect because you don't mean that, for example, you are fine in addition to some previous statement, but rather "you are fine" similarly to somebody else.

Here's how kop is used:

  Oel taron yerikit. Talioangit oel taron kop.
  I hunt yerik. I also (in addition to yerik) hunt talioang.

So kop is close to nìsung in its usage.

[Carborundum]

Irayo for corrections. However, I'm not sure about kop. Dictionary say's nothing about difference between kop and nìteng. I wanted to say:
"That is pleasant for me too".

If I compare it with these samples:
A: Oeru lu fpom. B: Oeru kop -> A: I'm fine. B: Me too.
A: Oel ayerikit taron. B: Taron oel kop. -> A: I hunt hexapedes. B: I hunt them too.,
I think kop can be used in my sentence. What goes wrong?

Nìteng is 'too, equally, likewise', while kop is too, additionally. In both of these sentences, B states that "like A, I am fine/hunt hexapedes". Therefore, both instances of 'too' should be nìteng rather than kop.

Kop would be used in a situation like this:
A: Oel ayyerikit taron, slä ke taron palulukanit. B: Oel ayyerikit taron nìteng, slä taron palulukanit kop.
A: I hunt hexapedes, but not thanators. B: I hunt hexapedes too, but I hunt thanators too.

[Blue Elf]

Ok, I understand now. But - where I get exact meaning of the words?
Taronyu's dictionary:
kop: [kop^] PF adv. too, also
nìteng: [nI."tEN] PF adv. too, also, as well, likewise (derived from teng same, equal)

Wiki vocabulary:
kop [kop] (Adv) also, too, as well.
nìteng [nɪ.ˈtɛŋ] (Adv) too, likewise, as well.

At first look - no difference. But your explanation is far from these sources. Where you got your knowledge?
It seems that it is impossible to do not do mistakes using these dictionaries.

[Puvomun]

Nìteng is 'too, equally, likewise', while kop is too, additionally.

Useful. I should check how these are described in the Dutch dictionary and make sure they are correct. Irayo!

[Sireayä mokri]

But your explanation is far from these sources. Where you got your knowledge?

See wm.annis' post.

[Puvomun]

But your explanation is far from these sources. Where you got your knowledge?

See wm.annis' post.

Great. Just fixed those in the Dutch-Na'vi dictionary. Irayo, ma Sireayä mokri.

[Blue Elf]

But your explanation is far from these sources. Where you got your knowledge?

See wm.annis' post.

Well, it is needed read complete forum to get all information (quite impossible ) Nevermind, continue in game:

Kxeyeyìri atxan frato a nga tsun kem silvi mì ngeyä tìrey, tsaw leru txopu futa nga tìkxey salyi. (Elbert Hubbard)

[Puvomun]

Kxeyeyìri atxan frato a nga tsun kem silvi mì ngeyä tìrey, tsaw leru txopu futa nga tìkxey salyi. (Elbert Hubbard)

My attempt, in a

Spoiler

The biggest mistake you can make in your life, is that you fear ever to have been wrong (or something along those lines)

Or: the biggest mistake you can make in your life is being afraid to make a mistake.

so others don't need to see it if they do not want to (yet).

[Tswusayona Tsamsiyu]

well, if Puvomun's understanding of the sentence is correct then it should be:
kxeyey apxa frato lu fwa keyeyìri txopu si.

[Blue Elf]

Kxeyeyìri atxan frato a nga tsun kem silvi mì ngeyä tìrey, tsaw leru txopu futa nga tìkxey salyi. (Elbert Hubbard)

My attempt, in a

Spoiler

The biggest mistake you can make in your life, is that you fear ever to have been wrong (or something along those lines)

Or: the biggest mistake you can make in your life is being afraid to make a mistake.

so others don't need to see it if they do not want to (yet).

Point for you ma Puvomun, meaning is correct and second line is nearly exact as an original.

[Puvomun]

Kxeyeyìri atxan frato a nga tsun kem silvi mì ngeyä tìrey, tsaw leru txopu futa nga tìkxey salyi. (Elbert Hubbard)

My attempt, in a

Spoiler

The biggest mistake you can make in your life, is that you fear ever to have been wrong (or something along those lines)

Or: the biggest mistake you can make in your life is being afraid to make a mistake.

so others don't need to see it if they do not want to (yet).

Point for you ma Puvomun, meaning is correct and second line is nearly exact as an original.

*grin* Perhaps this was a bit unfair. I collect saying and proverbs, so there is a good chance that this one is in my collection. Maybe I have seen it before. I have over 3000 of them now.

I looked it up, and I don't have this one! (Adding it now!)

[Puvomun]

Righty then, I think I am now a bit lost on how to proceed with the next sentence. I recall there was a handful of rules, but since I don't have those in my hands at the moment, I will just post a sentence that has one of the words of the last one in it.

Nga ke zene tivung aylaru peng fwa fyape nga rey ngeyä tìreyru.

[Tswusayona Tsamsiyu]

Nga ke zene tivung aylaru futa peng pawm fwa san fyape nga rey ngeyä tìreyur.

you don't have to allow others to ask you "how do you live your life?".

about the corrections:
I'm not sure about that nga in the beginning (although I didn't mark it). fko is better but it could work with both.
you forgot to put fì'u a and since tung is transitive (I think) it should become patientive futa.
the sentence being said is a question, therefore you should use the verb pawm instead of peng.
because in the question you're using nga it is direct speech which needs quote. so instead of fwa you need san (and a question marker). if this was indirect speech then you would use fwa (and you wouldn't use nga and ngeyä).
tìrey ends with a "y" sound so you need suffix -ur and not -ru. but I am not sure at all about this part because we don't know whether rey can be said like this. it's intransitive but this sentence is transitive so I don't know about this case.

[Sireayä mokri]

I don't think it's about asking anybody about anything, but rather you don't have to let others tell you how to live your life. In this case fyape wouldn't work, so instead it should be:

  Nga ke zene tivung aylaru futa peng fya'ot a nga rey ngeyä tìreyur.