Food stuff

Started by Txon Taronyu, February 16, 2010, 03:31:31 PM

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Txon Taronyu

We need to discuss

-meals
-food preservation
and other food stuff
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'Itan Atxur

Well, I really know nothing about food so unfortunately, until I do a bit of research, I can't contribute here :(

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Txon Taronyu

This is something vital to discuss
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sezawte

I study food and nutrition in my school so I feel I can contribute to this.

Meals need to be based around carbohydrates (starches mainly for longer lasting energy) these can be found in staple foods such as potatoes, rice etc. , fibre is another large necessary component in any meal, found in fruits and vegetables (which also gives you the vitamins and minerals you require) and the final main component of meals is protein, found mainly in animal products (well animal products are the main source of HBV proteins or high biological value) so meat and dairy products

The way foods are preserved is by destroying the bacteria, this can be done by altering the temperature (which is fairly difficult without a fridge or freezer, but we do this by cooking to make the food safer to eat), by altering the pH of the food (so by making it acidic usually, e.g. pickling), by removing the moisture (so drying) or by changing the salt or sugar levels in food
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Txon Taronyu

We can pickle, smoke, dry, or make pemican with food to preserve it and can put it in a storage hut
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bagget00

lots of top rammen and hot dog sanwiches with cheese.  ;D
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'Itan Atxur

Quote from: bagget00 on February 16, 2010, 03:41:34 PM
lots of top rammen and hot dog sanwiches with cheese.  ;D

lol! That's were I'm at now. :(

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bagget00

same. can't foget the Walmart take and bake pizza on payday.
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The old Uriuujìn

Ramen is deliciousness, no joke. I think that we should, after the initial stages, be able to grow, harvest, and hunt for what we need... assuming that we can actually find a good place where we can get enough game and the right weather conditions ^_^;;

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Txon Taronyu

lol but seriosly we should talk about food (for the tribe)
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'Itan Atxur

Quote from: sezawte on February 16, 2010, 03:38:08 PM
I study food and nutrition in my school so I feel I can contribute to this.

Meals need to be based around carbohydrates (starches mainly for longer lasting energy) these can be found in staple foods such as potatoes, rice etc. , fibre is another large necessary component in any meal, found in fruits and vegetables (which also gives you the vitamins and minerals you require) and the final main component of meals is protein, found mainly in animal products (well animal products are the main source of HBV proteins or high biological value) so meat and dairy products

The way foods are preserved is by destroying the bacteria, this can be done by altering the temperature (which is fairly difficult without a fridge or freezer, but we do this by cooking to make the food safer to eat), by altering the pH of the food (so by making it acidic usually, e.g. pickling), by removing the moisture (so drying) or by changing the salt or sugar levels in food

So what foods that we can find in the wilderness will supply this? I'd do the research but I'm actually researching other things atm :(

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sezawte

Quote from: 'Itan Atxur on February 16, 2010, 03:58:55 PM
Quote from: sezawte on February 16, 2010, 03:38:08 PM
I study food and nutrition in my school so I feel I can contribute to this.

Meals need to be based around carbohydrates (starches mainly for longer lasting energy) these can be found in staple foods such as potatoes, rice etc. , fibre is another large necessary component in any meal, found in fruits and vegetables (which also gives you the vitamins and minerals you require) and the final main component of meals is protein, found mainly in animal products (well animal products are the main source of HBV proteins or high biological value) so meat and dairy products

The way foods are preserved is by destroying the bacteria, this can be done by altering the temperature (which is fairly difficult without a fridge or freezer, but we do this by cooking to make the food safer to eat), by altering the pH of the food (so by making it acidic usually, e.g. pickling), by removing the moisture (so drying) or by changing the salt or sugar levels in food

So what foods that we can find in the wilderness will supply this? I'd do the research but I'm actually researching other things atm :(

I'm happy to do the research and find out how to cook stuff but i need to know the final location ;)
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'Itan Atxur

Well, knowing what food we need could actually potentially help us find the location that suits us best!

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sezawte

Ok, well I'll have a look at some point. I don't suppose somebody could tell me the current locations that look the most promising (sorry but i'm too lazy to trawl through all the location threads)
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When we get the fire pit built at the camp, you can cook the meat. Depending on what you get, depends on how safe it is. I don't know the safe animals, I just know what to do with them afterwards.

sezawte

It just so happens that in food and nutrition class we did a few lessons on which bits of animals give you what kind of meat and how to properly cook each part ;D Now to see if I can find all those diagrams...
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Eww... I'll wait until I get home.

Rolyu

I've been stalking this forum for a couple of days, and you guys fascinate me with your plans to have a Na'vi tribe.  It is definitely something I would love to see and visit someday, but I have lived too close to the actual thing to want to go back.

I can give ideas and pointers however, because of my experience living close to the land.  I'll start in the food thread to give you some ideas.  Sustaining a group of people 20 or higher without starvation requires a certain amount of farming and husbandry.  Depending on what animals you domesticate, you will need larger amounts of arable land, first to graze the animals, and then to grow grains and grasses to harvest, dry and store to feed your livestock in lean times. Goats are a great investment for your style of living.  They are small, requiring less food, and browsers so they eat a variety of things.  If you get the right animals, you can use their hair for all sorts of things.  You can eat goat, and it's rather fine tasting if you cook it right.  The hides are excellent for just about anything you can do with a hide, and their poo is easy to manage.  Goats milk can be used to make all sorts of dairy products, and you can add the cream to the soap you make (you should learn how to make soap out of ashes and animal fats), which will help protect your hands and faces from the wear and tear of outdoor life.  (This is important.)
Fowl are also great.  Meat, eggs, feathers (for decoration and to make nice pillows/mattresses.) You can use bigger bird's talons for things such as awls and other small creative weapons/tools.
Duck eggs are a gold mine of nutrients and they're really big.

Animals such as cows, alpacas, pigs, and sheep require a lot more maintenance and I wouldn't recommend them, though alpacas do have incredible wool, and make good watch dogs.

What you can grow depends on where you locate.  Since I favor the coastal northwest (of the USA) as an area to live tribally, I will base my food ideas off of that.  Some reasons:
Non-tropical climate lowers the amount of diseases and parasites that can survive.  
Distinct yet mild Seasons allow for a huge variety of food that is exceptionally abundant.  It is in my opinion the best place for a hunter gatherer based society to thrive.
Mild winters.  You can get food throughout the lean seasons.
Almost everything that grows or lives in the wild here is either edible or medicinal.
Less poisonous things, like certain plants and snakes.
Smaller spiders than tropical areas.  :D
Humidity is better for your skin.
More space for these kinds of projects than similar areas on the East Coast

Basically, I see the area as nearly as abundant as Pandora, but less dangerous.  

So back to food ideas.  Here's some things I know that you can find in the wilds of the pacific northwest. (not a complete list!!!) I'll include seasons / hunting seasons and other uses:
Spring:
      Gathering:
         wild asparagus (the shoots only)
         fiddle heads (the curly sprouts of certain ferns. lots of vitamins)
         dandelions: ( Use leaves and flowers for a variety of things. Tea made from dandelion helps bring down fevers. You get used to the bitter taste after a while, blanching improves flavor. Can be used to make the most amazing wine ever, has more vitamins than almost any food you can buy at a store. Very abundant.)
         watercress(late spring): (It is an aggressive weed that grows in small streams.  You would be doing nature a favor to harvest and eat it.)
         pitch/resin: (from grand and douglas firs.  Once boiled you can chew it like gum.  Tastes kind of like minty gin.  Rolls dry wood shavings or grass into melted resin to make good fire starting bricks on damp days, which are often.)
         pine needles: (a cup of pine needle tea has more vitamin C than a glass of orange juice.)
         truffles: (if you find one of these rare mushrooms you would be better off selling it to get money.  The white spring truffle grows in Oregon, Washington, and France.  Usually sells for $300-$600 an ounce.)
         morels: (another treat. Amazing garlicky flavor. looks like little pine cones sticking out of the ground.  Hard to find.  Occur for about two weeks, around Cinco de Mayo)
         cattails: (cattail shoots are edible and great fried.)
         chives: (nice onion flavor.  If you can't find some, plant them.  They are extremely hardy, easy to grow, and available almost all year round.)
         lamb's quarters: (Its a weed we pull out of our gardens, but really should be grown.  High in vitamin C and A.  There are many ways to eat it.  Blanche older, more mature leaves before eating.  Seed heads can be battered and fried.)
         ramps aka wild leeks: (are considered a delicacy by Chefs in the finest restaurants, and can go for $9 a pound.  Lovely onion flavor, abundant around the same time you will find morels.  Leaves edible in the Spring, roots edible year round.)
         violets: (also very common, tasty, and nutritious.  Leaves and flowers are edible.)
         clover, both red and white: (also a common spring plant.  Leaves taste best before the flowers come out.  Flowers have lots of sweet nectar, they can be dried and ground into flour.  Boil leaves before consuming large amounts or you can get a tummy ache.  Highly nutritious.)

 Hunting:
       Turkey season, other varieties of birds, black bear.
Farming: time to get planting!

Summer:
     Gathering:
           Strawberries, raspberries, marionberries, blackberries, huckleberries, blueberries, service berries, gooseberries/thimbleberries, chokecherries.  (High in vitamins and very abundant.  Blackberries are later in the summer.  August.  Strawberries don't keep.  Eat them right away.)
           Nettles: (wear gloves when harvesting, and blanche before eating.  Nettle tea is good for tummy aches.)
           Mint: (there are several varieties. Good in tea, freshens your breath.)
           Oregon Grapes: (sour.  Should be preserved and sweetened.  Good vitamin content.  makes excellent dye.)
           Wild Roses: (buds and petals are nutritious and flavorful.  Harvest rose hips in the fall for many food uses.)
           St. Johns Wort: (Grows in dryer areas. Looks like the poisonous plant Goldenrod.  It's not a food, but a medicine that helps with depression and anxiety.  Stay out of the sun when taking it or you'll get ulcers.  Must be processed very specifically to not be poisonous.)
            Wild oats: (its a grain.  Do what you will with it.)
           Thistle leaves: (steam or boil. Nutritious and delicious.)
             Plums:  yum yum!
            Cherries: also yum yum!

     Hunting/Fishing: You can shoot Coyotes on sight.  Rabbits are easy to snare.  Snakes are common. Please see rules and regulations to find out what fish you can legally catch.  Brook trout and salmon have a lot of rules surrounding them.  No nets allowed.  Many remote lakes of the Pacific Northwest are stocked with hatchery trout for campers to try catching. The Eastern Gray Squirrel is not only a common pest, but they get really fat and meaty.  ;D

Farming:  Finish harvesting things such as lettuce and radishes.  Harvest peas, beans, and squash.

Fall:  Let the good times roll!!!
      Gathering:
           Elderberries
           Apples
           Pears
           Cattail Roots: (Something like a potato)
           Rose Hips
           Seeds for gardening next year.
           grains
           Shellfish: Clams are best around Thanksgiving.  Go dig!  (preferably on an island or on the Peninsula.  Less pollution that way.)
           Kelp?: I do believe this is the season to harvest sea kelp.  I could be wrong.
           Gather your winter's firewood.  Make soap!
           
       Hunting: Deer and elk season.  Certain bird seasons.  Finish up the last of your fishing.
       Farming: finish harvesting, plant fall seeds and bulbs, spread manure over garden areas.
   
       Winter: Elk bow season continues until December.  Ice fishing is an option (if you travel to a colder area).  Certain plants can still be found and eaten in the winter, but they are less abundant.  There wont be much snow that makes life easier.  Eat the foods that you have gathered and preserved until Spring.  Luckily the true "Winter" of the coastal northwest goes for only three months, (December through February) and snowfall is rare.  Further inland you can be snowed in from Halloween until Easter, with frosts until June.

And.... wow that's a long post but I hope you guys find this info inspiring and useful.  And remember, my knowledge is limited.  There's even more resources than what I listed.


           

         

         
         



nettles (once boiled you can eat them any way you like, they also have stomach soothing properties in tea.  I would recommend using leather gloves to harvest.)
         



 

sezawte

^^ WOW nicely done!! karma for that
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Txon Taronyu

Wow such a usefull list thanks but we might not raise animals (full time comitment) so we will se about some of that stuff
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