money and age

[Txon Taronyu]

Two question of many parts
1. money
-how do we get money to pay taxes
-how do we get money incase we have to buy stuff
2. age
- what do we do when we get to old to do this
-what about children

[sezawte]

For money I'm pretty sure we could register as a non profit organisation or something similar which would mean we wouldn't have to pay taxes but I'm not sure about emergency money, perhaps we could ask for donations via these forums or something similar

I think the minimum age should be 18 (so that everybody is legally considered an adult)

As for children I don't think it would be a good idea for children to join and having children, well I think somebody mentioned this but we'd probably get arrested for child cruelty

[Ta'em Swizaw]

Two question of many parts
1. money
-how do we get money to pay taxes
-how do we get money incase we have to buy stuff
2. age
- what do we do when we get to old to do this
-what about children

We are not going to need to buy anything, this isn't a camping trip.

[hemmond]

Cildrens... If we'll not look on laws (and no one will check us), we need at least 100 peoples. Or someday in the future, the genetic degeneration will "visit" the childrens. Because I don't thnk, that the new peoples will join next generation of this Tribe. (That's only a biological point of wiew). But if the tribe will not be premanent (maybe only few years), so we can lead our childrens in the future to this way of live and maybe this tribe will one time get to 100 peoples and more and tribe can survive.

[guest2859]

...kids... I'm not so good with them. [Figuring I am one] But with money, I had planned forever to be a game designer. But I need a job to raise money for this, so I'd probably have to find something to fall back on before I graduate, so I can get paid good at an easy job. Then I need to save money to get back and forth here and there once a year.

[Txontaw]

As for children I don't think it would be a good idea for children to join and having children, well I think somebody mentioned this but we'd probably get arrested for child cruelty

Why would we? It's a tribe, a community, if someone is born into it, there's nothing that says that you can't raise them into it.

[guest2859]

Well, I heard someone say this before, that the US Government might decide 'we need to be rescued'. So if that happens, then we might be arrested. But I doubt it. If we pay for the land as a classified non-profit organization, we'll be fully legal and no external force could do a thing about it.

['Itan Atxur]

I hope thats the case ^^^. I'm not familiar with the legal system around here at all.

[guest2859]

Neither am I, but I'm taking Government in two years so I'll have fresh knowledge then.

[The old Uriuujìn]

I think that the Non-profit idea is valid, but I think that children would be a bad idea, for reasons stated earlier- it might be considered abuse. They could come to the summer camp, methinks, but not stay with the permanent tribe. 18 or older limit is my opinion. Or at least legally allowed to live on your own.

Eywa ayngahu

-Uriuujìn

[Ikranä mokri]

well hopefully everybody on here will be 18 or older by the time we actually do this in 4 years, but i do agree until we actually have some sort of facilities ( i dont mean modern i just mean a system which works as well as an infastructure) we should consider children (bringing or having them)

[hemmond]

Maybe little OT, but what about citizenship? Which citizenship the tribe will be?

[Txontaw]

I think that the Non-profit idea is valid, but I think that children would be a bad idea, for reasons stated earlier- it might be considered abuse. They could come to the summer camp, methinks, but not stay with the permanent tribe. 18 or older limit is my opinion. Or at least legally allowed to live on your own.

Eywa ayngahu

-Uriuujìn

Yeah, I agree with this. Unless of course they were born into the tribe in the first place.

[Txon Taronyu]

I agree that children would be a bad idea but what about the other quetions

[The old Uriuujìn]

Again, it depends on where we decide to live- I really liked the idea of living at that one place that was suggested in another thread. It was some sort of really nice property with a waterfall and everything for $120,000 ^_^ Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Gaia ayngahu

-Uriuujìn

[Rolyu]

Hm... that sounds really nice.  What thread is that and where is this property located?

But even if you are registered as a non profit group, I don't think you'll be able to get yourself classified as a church, meaning you will may a s***-ton of taxes for that waterfall.  Not to mention, if you have a viable running body of water or wetlands classified area, you will be closely monitored by the government as to what you do with that body of water, or what you have near it.  (to protect the fish.)

And to have children you need to have a house that is up to code.
That means a proper sewage system set up, certain kinds of roofing walls, certain kinds of floor, and you would need to be on the electric grid.
No code, no dice.  In Washington state, they will claim your children before you even birth them.  You wont even get to hold your baby before they're ushered off to some foster home.  Most states are the same way.  Though I here you can get away with anything short of murder in Montana.

[Swizaw Nguway]

That whole child law is such a complete joke. If they are born into the tribe and the government takes them away thats completely ridiculous.

[The old Uriuujìn]

That whole child law is such a complete joke. If they are born into the tribe and the government takes them away thats completely ridiculous.

Hey! Those laws protect the lives of countless children who are suffering abuse around the Nation. Sure, it doesn't help everyone, but it does the best that we can. I will not tolerate someone saying that it is a 'joke,' when it has done so much good for the nation as a whole!

I still think that children shouldn't be in this Tribe, at least not in the beginning. Just for safety.

Gaia ayngahu

-Uriuujìn

[Swizaw Nguway]

No I meant, for our case. Otherwise the law is very good yes

[Rolyu]

Even in your case, living in the tribal way you have been speaking of is not the right way to raise children.  There are way too many things that could happen, and your chances of SIDS goes up drastically.  When people lived in tribes, they would have maybe half of their children survive into adult hood.