Our Na'vi Tribe (discussion & pre-planning)

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Teio

Hm. For first attempts, think about temporary cities like those at Burning Man, and look to ecovillages for direction, please...these all seem to work out well, and are excellent models.

Txontaw

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Quote from: bagget00 on January 10, 2010, 10:58:05 PM
Also, ow long are we planning to be out there? Forever? Be recluse tribe of people? or do we do it for a few months/years?

Depends on how successful it is. But yes, we'd like to create a new tribe (forever).

That doesn't mean that you're forced to stay forever. Until all generations of the tribe are filled by people born there, I'm sure that there will be quite a bit of contact with the outside world.

I doubt we'll be able to "rough it" very well at first, not as a cohesive tribe. It will take some time. So I think that if this does grow to be a serious possibility, the people interested in joining the tribe should meet somewhere to see how we interact as a group, not just online.
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bagget00

We should find out where the largest group of learn na'vi goers are and then meet near there to cut down on costs of a bunch of people driving and flying to one spot.
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Teio

Think about the seasonal temperature changes and the definite lack of central heating amongst tribal peoples  ;)

Txontaw

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Teio

Hahaha. Nice. This is true...I just worry about forest fires, burning up our forest and general population to fire ratio...eh. Silly worries, I know

Txontaw

Quote from: Teio on January 10, 2010, 11:14:42 PM
Hahaha. Nice. This is true...I just worry about forest fires, burning up our forest and general population to fire ratio...eh. Silly worries, I know

Well, you always take precautions. Cleared area, circle of rocks, etc.
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bagget00

A forest clearing that is fairly level and have a good size ring of rocks. Build the wood in a shape that will contain the fire more towards the center than anywhere else.

Need ideas on what to use for a shelter tho. Since we don't have trees that grow miles high and include a stairwell built within.

Do we want to be near a stream or a mountain? What temperate climate are you looking for specifically? Do you want any civilization somewhat close or be in the middle of nowhere? Cause creepie stuff happens out in the middle of Nowhere. :) What type of game are you looking for? Big or small? Fruit? Vegg? Lots of things to consider.
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Txontaw

Creepy stuff in the middle of nowhere only happens in horror movies. :P

And srane, ayoenga do have a ton of research to do.
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Txontaw

Sorry to double post, but Oe am going to bed. Oe am tired, and oe have school tomorrow.

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Teio

It will most likely not be possible to just take up residence on government owned land (which is basically every bit of land anywhere that isn't private property) and not expect repercussions. Instead, I think it would be ideal to purchase acreage proportionate to how many residents we expect for the first generation. Of course, this sort of purchase would only be undertaken after the tribe was proven possible by shorter-term "camps" that could be erected temporarily on designated recreational land. The actual amount of land is subject to how people expect to live...are people hoping to live only a few per structure? Are people wanting to live and sleep in one building? The feasibility of platforms in trees (very cool) is limited by the age, height, and girth of trees at the site.

I think the first step (after gathering an interested group) is to attempt camping in an eco-conscious way. If the group can do this and get along for a month or so, I think higher planning would be possible.

Then, let's say you'd spend about 250,000 USD on UNDEVELOPED land that would suit the tribe's needs. There are, in fact, very remote off-the-grid areas of land as cheap as this and as large as 160 hectares. Keep in mind these properties have no plumping, no electricity and no man-made clearings. Perfect, in my opinion. To pay for it, the tribe leader would need to take out a loan in his/her name. If you had 25 interested members, each would only have to pay 10,000. Not bad, considering. This could get the property loan payed off very quickly. If we assume interested members keep working "normal" jobs, they could pay portions of this each month and not need to pay it all at once. Once all of the land is payed off, we can try to have each member continue working another year or half of a year, putting money into a tribe account. Once there was "enough" in there (we'd have to decide how much that is) jobs could be quit and this money could be used for construction and stuff. Eh. This is my ranting, sorry.

bagget00

Quote from: Txontaw on January 10, 2010, 11:36:32 PM
Creepy stuff in the middle of nowhere only happens in horror movies. :P

Was a reference to Courage the cowardly dog. The intro of the show.
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Quote from: Teio on January 11, 2010, 12:39:01 AM
It will most likely not be possible to just take up residence on government owned land (which is basically every bit of land anywhere that isn't private property) and not expect repercussions. Instead, I think it would be ideal to purchase acreage proportionate to how many residents we expect for the first generation. Of course, this sort of purchase would only be undertaken after the tribe was proven possible by shorter-term "camps" that could be erected temporarily on designated recreational land. The actual amount of land is subject to how people expect to live...are people hoping to live only a few per structure? Are people wanting to live and sleep in one building? The feasibility of platforms in trees (very cool) is limited by the age, height, and girth of trees at the site.

I think the first step (after gathering an interested group) is to attempt camping in an eco-conscious way. If the group can do this and get along for a month or so, I think higher planning would be possible.

Then, let's say you'd spend about 250,000 USD on UNDEVELOPED land that would suit the tribe's needs. There are, in fact, very remote off-the-grid areas of land as cheap as this and as large as 160 hectares. Keep in mind these properties have no plumping, no electricity and no man-made clearings. Perfect, in my opinion. To pay for it, the tribe leader would need to take out a loan in his/her name. If you had 25 interested members, each would only have to pay 10,000. Not bad, considering. This could get the property loan payed off very quickly. If we assume interested members keep working "normal" jobs, they could pay portions of this each month and not need to pay it all at once. Once all of the land is payed off, we can try to have each member continue working another year or half of a year, putting money into a tribe account. Once there was "enough" in there (we'd have to decide how much that is) jobs could be quit and this money could be used for construction and stuff. Eh. This is my ranting, sorry.

That's a good idea, especially since it ensures we wouldn't be bothered by anyone.

Yeah I think that if we camped somewhere for a month, it would be the perfect way to see how we function as a group.
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Mako

4 years will put me out of high school. I would definitely be interested in this, but even then, my parents would worry. Heck, though. If this is possible, then let's try to get it done!

Txontaw

Quote from: Sänumeyu on January 11, 2010, 09:06:09 AM
4 years will put me out of high school. I would definitely be interested in this, but even then, my parents would worry. Heck, though. If this is possible, then let's try to get it done!

Yeah, it's pretty much a win win situation. If we are able to survive, great. If we can't and are forced to live back with the tawtute, fine, but we'd get a great experience out of it.
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swiräk

I think, id would be a lot easier, when everyone learns to life with the nature. Im speaking about beeing a Scout.
You learn to make knots, to be a medic and to bear long walks and something...(I swear, 50 km are very long....^^)

Coyote

Teio's on the right track; this would start as a once a year meet at a campsite type of thing. Speak Na'vi, share ideas and lessons learned, learn some archery. Physical fitness will be important, too.

But it might be worthwhile and realistic in the meantime to incorporate as many eco-conscious and eco-friendly lifestyle choices as possible into normal life. Not only is it good to do in general, but it provides a good example to others who just don't think on that level.

Long-term big plans could include buying land an incorporating a small eco-village, but the lifestyle adjustments have to be habits developed now.

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In four years, I will also be out of highschool.

I have over 6 years of martial arts experience from a master in the art, and several more on my own. I guess I could teach self defense and the like. I can do hard labor, and I have done some small construction (built and shingled a shed). I can also tell stories :).
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Quote from: Coyote on January 11, 2010, 11:14:03 AM
Teio's on the right track; this would start as a once a year meet at a campsite type of thing. Speak Na'vi, share ideas and lessons learned, learn some archery. Physical fitness will be important, too.

But it might be worthwhile and realistic in the meantime to incorporate as many eco-conscious and eco-friendly lifestyle choices as possible into normal life. Not only is it good to do in general, but it provides a good example to others who just don't think on that level.

Long-term big plans could include buying land an incorporating a small eco-village, but the lifestyle adjustments have to be habits developed now.



Yeah, if you guys want, I can find a few links for easy ways to be green around the home w/out spending that much money.

If we're going to meet every year for a few years and camp out for a while, it will have to start after I and anyone else in here turns 18, because I guarantee that my parents (while I'm still under their care) will not approve of my buying a plane ticket to meet up with people I only know online.

So, until then, train hard, and try and become experts in what you are good at. And everybody should be physically fit, since we're gonna do a lot of tree climbing. :P
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