Summer Camp/ Get-together Discussion

[Hawnu UnilTxep]

THIS IS FOR THE FEW WEEKS OF NA'VI LIVING ONLY!!!

Please, no permanent tribe discussion here.  There's a thread for that.
Irayo!

Feel free to schedule and discuss ideas, locations and anything else you want to pertaining to summer camps for Na'vi!
And also please post and/or quote any pertinent information from other threads!  And other places on the net!

How exciting! Have fun with this!

Irayoooooo!

[Deamon5550]

I think we need a larger base of people before we can really start planning this in full.

[Chloe]

Some arts and craft things would definitely be fun. Like carving or making musical instruments...something of that nature.

[The old Uriuujìn]

Some arts and craft things would definitely be fun. Like carving or making musical instruments...something of that nature.

Sorry to... bend the rule of my fellow Mod, but I think that the camp should be both a recruitment center as well as a testing area for anyone who wants to enter the Tribe. By this, I do not mean that if you are not strong enough or something, you wouldn't get in. I mean that this way, we could see what having you around for an extended period of time would be like- your personality, that sort of thing. And if you didn't like it, it saves us all time ^_^

Eywa ayngahu

-Uriuujìn

[Chloe]

I mean that this way, we could see what having you around for an extended period of time would be like- your personality, that sort of thing. And if you didn't like it, it saves us all time ^_^

I like this idea - so you can see if the tribal lifestyle will, in reality, work for you (or if you just like the summer camp tribe.) I'm adding fuel to the fire, I know, but maybe here at this summer camp there could be a kind of initiation into the permanent tribe? Like at the final days of summer? Would be neat to see.

[Txona texp]

This is a brilliant idea I can get behind and support.
I just hope enough people show some support to this so we can get this off the ground!
I would be willing to go too some lengths to see this happen. Now where do we start?

[Chloe]

I would be willing to go too some lengths to see this happen. Now where do we start?

More ideas for what could happen during the camp would be good, to plan out a tentative schedule. Events that could happen during the day, like an archery and Na'vi language classes.
Also, we'd need to know for how long during summer these camps would be. Three (give or take) 2-week camps? The full three months of summer? Weekend camps?

Plus there's the hard-to-get-around "option" of paying a fee to attend. After all, someone has to pay to repair things/purchase necessary equiptment things, right?

[tsmukan ftu Eywa]

Chloe, I think your on to something. I do want to stress early on that these event will not be mandatory. I would like to offer an event tho. grammar vocab. and some arrow/bow crafting/practice =) this would be helpful to the experience and the fun.

[The old Uriuujìn]

I think the summer camps should be at least a week and a half long, so that there is a point to being there. Why travel really far only to be there for a day before having to go back? As to a fee, I am usually against making people pay for stuff, but I think that some sort of payment could be an option. Perhaps donations? And I think paying fines for serious rule infractions wouldn't be a bad idea either. And we could always do what the Amish do- make stuff and sell it to raise revenue.

(This is where the Weavers come into play ^_^)

Eywa ayngahu

-Uiruujìn

[Chloe]

@ tsumukan ftu Eywa: I agree with you, they shouldn't be mandatory - but it could be expressed that the more, the merrier - and of course for Avatar movie night, who wouldn't want to join in?

@ Uriuujìn: I had considered donations, but then I remembered something in my psychology class. It's a term called "social loafing", and it's used to describe the lack of participation/action of members in a group when they see the leader of the group participating the most. So the other members slack off and don't contribute a lot as a whole. Now, I'm not accusing anyone here at all - I hardly know you guys! - but one example from psychology was the idea of donations for a park fund/museum/etc. It said that when seen as donations as a whole, less people contributed to the fund when they saw how much money they raised (somewhere around $20k). But when marked by individual contributions, more people donated because they could compare their donations to other people - kind of like a competition, if you will. I'm not saying that that's what we should do, but it's something to consider if we're relying solely on donation money: how many people will donate and how much we could earn from that.

And I would say that we should consider those who don't have a lot of money, but if you are travelling to wherever this summer camp is, then you must have some money. Right?

I like the idea of selling things like the Amish, but then that kind of ties into getting a business permit, or whatever they're called. Don't you need one of those to sell things nowadays?

[tsmukan ftu Eywa]

I think we should keep it at a single amount so greed wont kick in and people wanting to own a peace of what we will be

[The old Uriuujìn]

I think we should keep it at a single amount so greed wont kick in and people wanting to own a peace of what we will be

Who said anything about owning the Tribe? This isn't a public corporation, selling off stock. This would be, literally, "We love the Tribe, and so we will give moneys to the Tribe, cause it's awesome."

We'd have to take precautions, though, to make sure that no one was stealing from the donations, which I don't think anyone would do. Still, best to be prepared.

Eywa ayngahu

-Uriuujìn

[Deamon5550]

also there would be some profit from selling things such as excess crops.
If we run it as any sort of orginazation, we should run it as a non-profit organization, so there is no question of making money/stocks/or owning it as a whole.

Some links for information of non-profit organizations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_organization

Tax exemption
In many countries, nonprofits may apply for tax exempt status, so that the organization itself may be exempt from income tax and other taxes. In the United States, to be exempt from federal income taxes the organization must meet the requirements set forth by the Internal Revenue Service

.

That solves the problem of taxes.

http://www.irs.gov/
http://www.irs.gov/charities/index.html?navmenu=menu1
http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=187787,00.html

[Txona texp]

OK so the way I see it the first thing we need to do is work out where and when we will hold this, from there we can work out expenses and get a goal to work towards.
Now since from what I understand, the permanent tribe will not be making its move for 4 years, which that leaves us without a specific place to hold it as of yet. So I did a little research and the best Ideas I have so far are we could possibly rent/lease a summer camp http://www.mysummercamps.com/rentals/ or as some other people have mentioned just have a get together at a national park, http://www.nps.gov/.

At the moment I'm thinking the second idea is more realistic so far, but with the numbers who knows what we can do.
Other things we would need to know are how many people will come, What we will do for food / Water and how people plan on getting there.

Well that's all I have, now lets expand on it!

[tsmukan ftu Eywa]

I think we should keep it at a single amount so greed wont kick in and people wanting to own a peace of what we will be

Who said anything about owning the Tribe? This isn't a public corporation, selling off stock. This would be, literally, "We love the Tribe, and so we will give moneys to the Tribe, cause it's awesome."

We'd have to take precautions, though, to make sure that no one was stealing from the donations, which I don't think anyone would do. Still, best to be prepared.

Eywa ayngahu

-Uriuujìn

ah but that's just my point. when money get's involved there's always some rich guy to buy in big and when he dousen't like what he sees he threatens for things to change or he takes he's "donation" back. you have to put in for greed that will happen with money, and power that is made by greed. I'm just throwing this out there if you would like to avoid greed you must stay away from something that will affect there real life as well as there Na'vi life.

[The old Uriuujìn]

ah but that's just my point. when money get's involved there's always some rich guy to buy in big and when he doesn't like what he sees he threatens for things to change or he takes his "donation" back. you have to put in for greed that will happen with money, and power that is made by greed. I'm just throwing this out there if you would like to avoid greed you must stay away from something that will affect there real life as well as there Na'vi life.

Then they will sign a waiver! XD But seriously, I know that we all want to have this ideal place, ut the fact of the matter is we can't do anything if we don't have any money. I wish that the world were different, but it's not. For food, supplies that we can't make, etc... we need moneys. And the only way I can see this working out is having to pay for membership and donations, and I don't think anyone wants to be forced to pay to be in the tribe.

So we have donators sign something that says something along the lines of, "You donate money to the tribe, the tribe keeps it. It is spent only on the good of the tribe, yada yada yada..." except in more legal terms. I don't think 'yada yada yada' would be upheld in a suit of some sort ^_^; here's hoping that we don't have to do that.

Eywa ayngahu

-Uriuujìn

[Txontaw]

I don't want to go mainstream with this, cause we'd get way more people than we want. But if we don't there's not likely to be enough donators.

[MonocleO.Q]

Can you take back a donation? I thought that was only with grants. I'm pretty sure you can't take bac ka donation so long as you call it that.

Also, I love that everyone is trying to keep this as nìNa'vi as possible, but when it comes to starting a camp and dealing with money, there's a certain level of corporate proffesionalism involved. I think it should be set up like a normal summer camp, through the government and all that jazz. Have a set price, with payment options and "scholorship/grant" opportunities for people in financial need. Can't really be so lackadaisical when it comes to money.

[tsmukan ftu Eywa]

Ok, I want to say this for the last time. Ideal=How we used to live=Indian. I know a way to get free land for a short time (max of 3 weeks)and plenty of hunting space do you want to here it? FREE and legal and not all that hard.

[Txona texp]

Sounds too good to be true whats the catch?