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The dry run - lets get going!
« on: October 08, 2010, 05:12:30 pm »
Right, I have decided to get the ball rolling.

Let's get some real stuff done! For those unaware, we have decided that it would be a good idea to have a mock set-up of the tribe, just so we can find out how the organisation needs to work. For these purposes, our assumed location is Geraldo Island.

Assuming the following:
We have purchased Geraldo. Our budget has left us with enough to pay for flights for members and for Visas, as well as a few years taxation should we need to.
Immigration is sorted - we are permitted to live there, some permanently, some who wish to only spend a year or two with us.
Our chosen "opening day" (when we have been there, set up, and ready to live!) is sometime within the next 3-6 months.

What now?


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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2010, 06:50:45 pm »
First of all, we need to organize our resources. After we figure out what items we will be bringing with us (and how we will get them there) from the modern world, we need to figure out how we are going to construct everything else we need. What will we be building with? Where can these materials be sourced? How do we construct them once we reach the area? And how will we continue to source items that we cannot make ourselves in the distant future?

From the look of things, it seems like we will initially be bringing with us (with some items eventually being replaced by homemade alternatives) -
- clothing
- weapons - bows, arrows, spears
- tools
- some modern tech - radio, GPS, possibly phones, possibly internet, possibly a vehicle
- a method of powering said tech - solar panels, wind turbines, biofuel stills
- hobby items - musical instruments, sporting equipment
- books
- toiletries

Obviously some things will change when we eventually find our real final location, but this sounds like a decent first list for Geraldo. One of my concerns for some of this stuff is how we will actually get it there. Obviously some smaller items can be carried/checked on our flights, but some of the larger items might require special shipping, which we definitely need to set aside some money to pay for.

Other items, mainly building materials and utilities (water, wind, etc), will be available on site (obviously :P). Though one thing we need to do is have temporary shelters, while we build our permanent homes. Maybe tents? Once we figure out what type of buildings we want (I’m a tree-houser myself), we need to map the area and figure out where best to initially set up on the island, and on what criteria to decide this (Proximity to good hunting ground? Proximity to shore? Proximity to water?) on.

My 2 cents on what a good first step would be. :D
« Last Edit: October 09, 2010, 01:11:36 am by Tsyal Maktoyu »


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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2010, 05:27:15 am »
We would also need food, we need to live on something until we have other sources available.
In a warm climate, a hammock and tarp would be a good shelter, lightweight, quick to put up, shelter against wind and rain.
What tools?
I think we would need standard bushcraft type kit; good knife, axe, sharpening stones, stove, lifeboat matches, steel, tinder, first aid kits, cooking gear, 550 para cord (if possible).
Oh, an inflatable Ray Mears would be useful! ::)
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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2010, 03:52:45 pm »
We would also need food, we need to live on something until we have other sources available.
In a warm climate, a hammock and tarp would be a good shelter, lightweight, quick to put up, shelter against wind and rain.
What tools?
I think we would need standard bushcraft type kit; good knife, axe, sharpening stones, stove, lifeboat matches, steel, tinder, first aid kits, cooking gear, 550 para cord (if possible).
Oh, an inflatable Ray Mears would be useful! ::)

For food, maybe we should stockpile some bulk items before we go, and live on that until we are set up? (Buy a few thousand bucks worth of stuff from Costco, like they do on Deadliest Catch). Or maybe some of us can get out there several months beforehand, and plant some crops, that way some food will be ready by the time everyone else arrives?

Tools - Things like saws, hammers, ax, screwdrivers, chissels (maybe power tools?). Stuff we'll need to build our permanent shelters. Again it will be dependent on what shelters we will have. Or the other option could be pre-fab shelters, such as fiberglass Free Spirit Spheres. IIRC they were discussed a while ago.
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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2010, 04:30:30 pm »
Okay:

So we need to bring with us enough "food" to last 2-3 weeks.
We need to bring with us basic construction equipment in order to build our more permanent "village".
We need to bring with us some form of accomodation for us to stay in while we are building. Military issue aid style tents and beds seems a good option (large canopies big enough for a lot of people).
Perhaps we need to bring construction materials for our "command centre" (where there can be a satellite phone etc) - doesn't need to be anything more than a sturdy outhouse, purchasable from garden companies.

We may need to send an advanced party, with the above gear, to set up before bringing us all in. This group, which should consist of the most wilderness knowhow of our tribe, can try out hunting methods and find out the lay of the land (2 weeks should be enough time? Longer if we are going to grow plant food.).

And, of course, survival gear. Remember, most survival gear is not built to allow you to live in the wilderness - it wants you to make it back to civilisation. So, while waterproof matches and stoves will be indespensable for the first month or so, we would need to find ways of making our own.

Oh, this is so exciting. It's like we're really going! ;D


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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2010, 11:25:23 am »
Maybe we need to look more at what we will actually do for tools.
My view is that we should use high quality tools, knives and so on, that won't need replacing. I don't know how long a knife will last, but I expect a few years ought to be reasonable.
The best way (I think) would be to get enough equipment for all of us with extra incase of accident(s).
Fire lighting with matches would not be effective for long, but as far as I can tell, a steel should last for long enough.
Survival experts recommend having at least three methods for lighting a fire if you get into trouble, so I think we should have a number of different tools, but a single tool would be ok for everyday firelighting.
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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2010, 02:07:29 pm »
Okay, so for a tribe of about 20 people we would need...20 knives?

An idea i had a while back was for each tribe member to carry a "survival kit" around with them at all times. This could contain a knife, fire-starting materials, perhaps some dried food, etc... so we would need enough knives certainly to go around.

As for other tools, in the first month (when we get all of our building done!) we would need several essentials. Axes, one or two saws (maybe double-handed), chisels, hammers, and so on - we can't just live in tents!

On the other hand, if we made room in our budget, the "Free Spirit Spheres" may become a possibility. It would also look awesome...but $50,000 apiece could be hard + the setting up costs - even if some of us bunked in with eachother, it's a huge cost.

I might look into other types of accomodation...it depends on whether we want to go in straight away, or work for a month or so on our dwellings...


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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2010, 08:19:05 pm »
Yeah, tools we would each need everyday, like knives, we could each have individually, along with other contents of a survival kit. Wouldn't be that hard to carry around on a shoulder-strap or something while out hunting. Bigger tools/powertools could be shared within the group.

As for the spheres, that's just one type of treehouse I was looking into. While we probably couldn't afford pre-made ones in their current, we could probably either get some stripped-down ones for cheap, or make them ourselves off of blueprints. Though that's just one type of treehouse that could be a possibility. There's plenty of other designs out there that need to be considered when determining our dwellings.

EDIT 10/18 - Here's a treehouse design I found that we might be able to pull off. They are used by the Korowai people of Papua New Guinea. They can be scaled up/down depending on the needs of the dweller.

http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/bobpalege/1/1268213867/new-korowai-tree-house.jpg/tpod.html
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2010, 05:13:41 pm »
This is actually working really well. We are getting an idea of what other issues we have to overcome even after location is sorted!

So far:
- Accomodation
- Immediate food sources
-Equipment (that we must bring)



Okay, so lets just say for the purposes here that we have sorted them.

We have several pre-built structures available, but communal buildings etc. will have to be built by us.
We therefore are transporting saws, hammers, chisels etc. to the tribe location.

We will be sending an advanced group to the site two-three weeks in advance. This group, which will consist of the most wilderness-wise members of the tribe:
Will set up a "ground zero" (with either satellite phone or other communication system),
Will ensure all the accomodation is safe and secure, will analyse local resources (discuss hunting capacity/water), will possibly begin cultivation of plant food (not necessary if naturally occurring),
Will perhaps get to work on our buildings.

They will report back to us with regular contact to let us know how they are doing and their findings.

Good plan no? this is not the final plan, you understand, it is simply for the purposes of the dry run.


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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2010, 09:07:15 am »
It sounds great. One question;
Is this island accessed by air or road? Would we be legally allowed to transport numerous weapons?


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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2010, 11:38:54 pm »
I don't think importing weapons is our main deal, but I can see starting with bows we didn't make. Otherwise, though we would be with the basics, building our own buildings would be a huge challenge, especially for what I need.

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2010, 11:40:41 pm »
I understand, the cheaper and more convenient alternative would to use natural resources to build what we did not have.


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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2010, 12:09:51 pm »
Medicines! And medical/first aid equipment obviously. Also, has anyone mentioned (satellite) internet and phone, to maintain outside contact.
Access would be by air into Brazil and I believe boat to Geraldo.

It's good to see this getting started, I have been absent for ages (a whole 4 days!).

Edit: How about we move this to Official Tribe Matters, now the idea's been accepted and it's an active topic.
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2010, 01:32:04 pm »
[Moved] Yes, satellite has been suggested, and pretty much something we will need. This could help clear up what the satellite part could/should be linked to.

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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2010, 02:37:55 am »
For the preliminary tents that would be used in the first couple of weeks or more when the tribe settled, if you weren't using actual tents but were trying the "tarp and hammock" style, I suggest mosquito nets.  Lots and lots of mosquito nets.  Those can make it a lot easier to keep from getting sick, if you keep the bugs out of your dwellings.

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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2010, 07:41:05 am »
tarps might be enough, but if we prefer something more "stable": using just propper linen to build a tentlike shelter comes much cheaper than buying a tent.
as i know from my former larp group, a selfmade german black tent (a.k.a. "Kohte") made of naturally impregnated linen sailcloth for about 5-6 persons and the ability to have a camp fire inside the tent costs about 90 € (about 125 US$). without the fire place, up to 8 persons can take shelter inside this tent easily (reffering to the basic layout). a kohte doesn't need a frame as such, you need only two 1.5 feet branches, some ropes, some tent pegs and a tree. without the tree you need two 13 feet branches additionally.
this tent type is modular, so it can be expanded almost without any limit.
a bought kohte with the same size costs up to 300 € ( >400 US$).

with some additional nettings the tents can be "sealed up" for insects.
and who knows... perhaps those tents can act as shelters for the "real tribe" a bit longer ;)
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2010, 08:03:19 am »
Nice idea! Tarp/hammock is good for a lightweight personal shelter, but not for a large group.
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2010, 08:17:04 am »
I think the hammock idea would be alot cheaper, lightweight and practical than tents. I would reccommend a material with a slight elasticity.


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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2010, 05:54:29 pm »
Maybe if they made small scaled mosquito nets, then it'd be a good idea. Either that, or just suspend the actual net part around a hammock, then I'd prefer that. I don't want to be left open on all sides.

 

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