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Offline Tonbogiri

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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #60 on: November 28, 2010, 05:30:55 pm »
Well, after three days of searching, immigration is still turning up a no go. I notice a new list of islands being set up, and we need to have the host country's name there too - that way we can know if we are in the money or not.

Anyhoo, as a response to a point made on the news update (on time, congrats!), it's time to consider the issue of land use. This will be a part of the duties of the advanced party - to find out and decide which parts of our location are best suited to buildings or agriculture, should we go down that route.

Would we need agriculture? Of course, a hunter-gatherer society has its drawbacks, and the agri. would provide a more stable form of supply. But, it needs work, and some of us may not be prepared to put in the effort of trying to maintain both kinds of primitive living (can you imagine the allocation of roles - "but i want to go hunting!"). I suppose it would depend on the location - if hunter-gatherer foods are in more limited supply, then farming would be needed. If we settle in an area with poor soil, or where it would be extremely difficult to farm, then it may not be a good idea. What does everyone else think?


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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #61 on: November 28, 2010, 06:32:43 pm »
It depends on the climate and fauna. If theres boars and deer by the hundreds and a forest of wild fruit, vegetables and grain then, well, you get the idea.

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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #62 on: November 28, 2010, 08:04:35 pm »
Yeah, pretty much what Tsleng said. How much agriculture we will implement will depend on how much edibles are already available in the wild (as well as fish). As for allocation of roles, it can depend on how "squeemish" members of the tribe are. Those that aren't very good with being around blood or having to clean animals/fish can be full-time farmers. Hunters can also go between hunting, fishing, gathering, or farming depending on how many hands are needed in each from day to day. Though occasionally a farmer might need to "suck it up" and hunt/fish. :)


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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #63 on: November 28, 2010, 08:28:09 pm »
There's also those who are gonna have to be cooks. If some makes a mistake its gonna be like...

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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #64 on: November 29, 2010, 04:08:28 am »
Heh, exactly.

This stresses the importance of getting some prior training before we all head out - the best wilderness survival schools offer courses in wild cooking - after all, no Jamie Oliver stuff here... - as well as all the basic skills that we would need.

In the case of Geraldo Island, the location we are using for this case study, let's see:

Hmm, info very scarce here. Obviously not usually a concern for buyers!
No mention of large animals (aka deer) - scattered reports of monkeys (which, mind you are a prime food source for some tribes), but plenty of wild edible plants (expertise needed of course before we eat some deadly nightshade...).

Of the 2000 ish acres of land, most is forested. Any farming would require deforestation - hard work, and kind of against what we are doing. Also, land is at highest only 5 metres above sea level - so any kind of flood would annihilate crops (and us, but that is a location thing not to be discussed here - this is just an example location). If animals are abundant, then farming perhaps not needed - but if no animals, then farming may not be enough to give us the proteins found in animal matter.


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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #65 on: November 29, 2010, 02:55:05 pm »
Well nuts and beans, but those probably arent enough. :-\

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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #66 on: December 01, 2010, 02:33:40 pm »
When the advance group come to the island, after they find best place for tribe and Eco-village, maybe they should make some place as heliport, big enough for UH-1 Huey (AFAIK, tribal helicopter will be UH-1 Huey) nearby. :)
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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #67 on: December 01, 2010, 02:46:45 pm »
Lol just an emergency heli for rescue teams and a news heli are more then enough... =D

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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #68 on: December 01, 2010, 08:57:11 pm »
Forget the helicopter.

Hang gliders! Hang gliders! They're more Ikran-like anyway. :D


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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #69 on: December 02, 2010, 05:59:45 am »
depending on location, hang gliding might be impossible, i.e. there are no hills high enough to be used as a starting spot. And Geraldo Island is way too flat. but perhaps ultralight aeroplanes might be a propper substitude? selfpowered hang gliders or paragliders, fixed wing planes - there are at least a dozen different kinds of ultralights.

there are even some solar powered ULs, so we wouldn't have to worry about the pollution. some can even be used for soaring, so the "engine noise" appears only at take off (or if you can't find any thermal lift).
but nevertheless i guess the majority of us has absolutely no experience with aviation - neither with hanggliders nor with any other flying vehicle, and training with such is quite expensive (atleast in germany). so i think hang gliders and ULs are more a personal acquirement but are of no use for the tribe itself, despite being used for (emergency) transport. and in this case, hang gliders as well as most kinds of ultralights are useless...

but despite every objection:
it would be darn cool to have "modern ikrans", no matter if hang glider or UL ;D
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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #70 on: December 02, 2010, 10:58:45 pm »
Yes, indeed there are powered hang gliders, with the ability to ground launch. There's also

 Hang gliding

which is a rather novel solution, as well as

 

There's plenty of ways to get into the air - to "tame your own Ikran" and take to the sky the way our inspirations did - it's just a matter of finding one that will work with our final location. :)
« Last Edit: December 02, 2010, 11:02:13 pm by Tsyal Maktoyu »


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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2010, 07:25:45 am »
Yeah... But.. to be honest... How many material are you able to get to hand-glide? And how many material can you get to heli? And... Heli starts directly up. Hand-glide need a some sort of runway, and there will be no use with this flight. And... If someone will be wounded, how can you get him into the hospital? I know, that heli isn't much Na'vi or Ecologist, but... We need to get to the island somehow. And tools and material too. I'm not saying, that we should fly with heli every day, but... Once in some time in cases of need.
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« Reply #72 on: December 03, 2010, 10:36:36 am »
A boat?
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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #73 on: December 03, 2010, 06:26:48 pm »
Heh, looks like this topic is heading more towards transport and accessories. These are important things (thankyou Key'ìl for the boat idea - simple, yet effective!), and need to be addressed, but possibly at a later date - say, when we find out our budget.
Hint - save up now!!

Any more central changes/ideas for the dry-run plan? I think it's okay, but still everyone should take a look.

Assuming location is Geraldo Island, immigration is sorted, etc.

An advance party will go to set up several weeks before we "open for business", and this group will need to consist of the most wilderness-wise members (ACTUAL PROOF OF THIS EXPERTISE MAY BE NEEDED).
This advance group will be responsible for the setup of the tribe infrastructure, and will experiment in terms of land use, building materials, agricultural possibilities, and hunting opportunities. Upon arrival of the rest of the tribe, they will be responsible for training of "new recruits"!

There will be a "command centre" of sorts at the heart of it all - this will be a sturdy, pre-fabricated building which will contain our links to the outside world - satellite phone, etc. This building will be supplied by a variety of sustainable energy sources (solar/wind/even biogas) and as such will contain any items that require a power source to maintain. This would include medical equipment and medication itself. This building could be of enough size to accomodate us should all our other buildings blow away...which brings me onto my next point!

All other buildings will either be hand-built or pre-fabricatedaccording to preference. A system of accomodation should be sorted out beforehand (i.e. whether people would be willing to share houses, or whther everyone wants their own), to determine exact numbers and the preferences of people to pre-fabricated accomodation should the budget allow.

Anything mssing?


EDIT: The last post column. heh heh heh...



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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #74 on: December 03, 2010, 08:42:04 pm »
Looks pretty squared away, sounds like a good plan. Then we can tweak it for whatever our final location is.

hemmond - I was thinking hang gliding would be more along the lines of a leisure-time activity. When it comes to actual, useful transportation, I like Key'il's idea of a boat.

And the last post column, yes. ha ha ha  ;D


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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #75 on: December 05, 2010, 10:18:22 am »
Heli will be good, if someone will have (and be willing to provide). If someone will have boat and will be willing to provide it, can be boat. :) But afaik, someone said, that he can provide heli (some time ago), but I didn't read this about boat...

About accomodation:
->One pre-fabricated big building as communication, medical and storage center
->Smaller pre-fabricated houses for Eco-village
->On site hand-maded shacks for Tribe.
That's my idea.
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« Reply #76 on: December 05, 2010, 05:13:14 pm »
Agreed. Looks like we need to get working on location yet again, as well as fundraising.


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« Reply #77 on: December 06, 2010, 10:48:19 am »
A list of countries with good climates has been made on the Revolutionists, research is being organised:
http://revolutionists.aurora-glacialis.de/wiki/index.php/Rev_internal_-_countrylist
If you can aid in research, look here (lower on page):
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Re: The dry run - lets get going!
« Reply #78 on: December 08, 2010, 01:24:38 pm »
I like Tonbogiri's little overview on the page before, that definitely covers the key points. Ideally I would want to conclude this with a bit more in place but it's fair to say discussion is drying up and a change of topic would help everyone.

I don't think we can seriously consider a helicopter as a long term solution, basically: fuel, parts, maintenance. Expensive and time consuming. If anyone wants to hang glide there's no reason not to, try not to die though...  ;)

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« Reply #79 on: December 08, 2010, 02:38:16 pm »
I think aircraft more significant than a hang glider are going to be too expensive to be of much use.
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