Eveng terìng mikyun

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Note: I could find no way of expressing gay or homosexual properly without having to use many words, so I invented a word that I tried to make phonetically alike. Kxäy, plural käy. :) Also, I Na'vified Bobby as Pxopi. ;)

I'm not expecting you to correct all of my mistakes (cause I'm sure there will be a lot). :P I just wanted to share this beautiful speech to everyone, and also to practice my Na'vi, of course. :D


Tìyawn tuteä tutefpi hu tutanä tutanfpi kawng längu. Aykäyä kayä ne vawma fìtsengmì fpi frakrr. Txo namew livatem,  fe'a hem ayfoä tsamun zameykeio. Txo wamem  tìfe'ru, tsivun sìltsana tute livu nìmun. Sweylu txo fmivi sì fmivi nìngay, fte tsaw zo! Pameng ayfì'ut ne oeyä 'itan, Popxi, krr a run sutan yawne poanur längu. Krr a poanìl pameng tìngayit oeru, tsal ska'a kifkeyit oeyä. Kem sami fra'uru ziveyko Popxitä säspxinit sì tìhawnu sivi poanur. Vol ayvospxì ftolem akrrta 'itan oeyä spä ftu kxayla tseng ulte tspang sneyä. Nìngay keftxo längu oel, futa tìmomum oeyä teri aykäy hì'i fìtxan längu. Fwa fra'ut sutel kamar sì peng oer kawng sì tsleng tslam oel set. Txo fmami imvomum Pxopil, txo nì'aw timvìng mikyun 'itanru oeyä krr a plltxe teri txe'lan sì efu poanä oeru, ke tirvok eo aynga fìtrr hu pay oeyä menarimì. Fpìl oel futa Pxopiyä tirea atstunwi sì asìltsan samunu Nawma Sa'nokur. Eywari, tìtstunwi sì tìyawn leiu ayu a tsranten nìngay. Ke amomum futa fralo peng nìmun san aykäyä kawng längu ulte frakrr layu kawng sìk, peng kop futa Pxopi hiyìk sì ke pxan längu, ulte futa lu lehrrap evengìri. Aylì'ul oeyä skarma'a poanä tìyawnit pxel sno, ulte oeyk sami tì'efuru kea lepxanä. Nì'i'a tsal tìsraw seykami Pxopiyä tireat nìwotx, ulte fkol ke tsun ziveyko tsat. Lehawngkrr nìhawng lamängu. Nawma Sa'nok ke namew fwa 'itan oeyä spä eo tsawla 'u a tspang poanit. Pxopiyä tamerkup taluna poanä sa'sem yaymak längu sì txopu si lì'ur san kxäy sìk. Namew poan pamreltu livu. Sweylu fwa ke skilva'a oel poanä ayrangalit sì aysìsìlpeyit, slä tsaw len. Lu eveng, na Pxopi, a terok fìtsenge ayngeyä fongmì aswok. Hu tìfnu, tayìng mìkyun ayngaru krr a peng san amen sìk, ulte fìlì'ul skìya'a aysìsìlpeyit foyä. Ayngeyä txopu sì tìve'kì aykäyìri, sì yaymaka aylì'u tìfnu sayi aylì'ur aswok foyä Eywana teri tìtslam sì tìyawn. Ha sre peng san amen sìk kelkumì ayngeyä sì fongumì, fpìl. Fpìl ulte zerok. Eveng terìng mikyun.

Sireayä mokri

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Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on July 27, 2011, 08:57:11 PM
Tìyawn tuteä tutefpi hu tutanä tutanfpi a mìkam mesuté fu mesutan kawng längu. Aykäyä kayä ne vawma tseng fpi frakrr tì'i'avay krrä. Txo namew livatem,  fe'a hemit ayfoeyä tsameiun zameykiveio. Txo wamem  tìfe'ru, tsivun sìltsana tute livu nìmun. Sweylu txo fmivi sì fmivi nìngay, fte tsaw zivo! Pameng ayfì'ut ne oeyä 'itanur, alu Popxi, krr a rolun futa sutan yawne poanur längu. Krr a poanìl pameng tìngayit oeru, tsal ska'a kifkeyit oeyä. Frakem sami fra'uru fte ziveykivo Popxiyä säspxinit ulte tìhawnu sivi poanur. Vola ayvospxì ftolem salew akrrta takrra 'itan oeyä spä ftu kxayla tseng ulte tspäpang sneyä. Nìngay keftxo längu 'efängu oel, furia tìomum oeyä a teri aykäy hì'i fìtxan längu. Futa fra'ut a sutel kamar sì peng oer, lu kawng sì tsleng, tslam oel set. Txo fmimvi imvomum Pxopilt, txo nì'aw timvìng mikyun 'itanur oeyä krr a plltxe teri txe'lan sì sì'efu poanä sneyä oeru, ke tirvok eo aynga fìtrr hu pay oeyä menarimì. Fpìl oel futa Pxopiyä sìltsana tirea atstunwi sì asìltsan samunu Nawma Sa'nokur. Eywari, tìtstunwi sì tìyawn leiu aymeu a tsranten nìngay. Ke amomum futa fralo peng nìmun san aykäyä kawng längu ulte frakrr layu kawng sìk, peng kop futa Pxopi hiyìk sì ke pxan längu, ulte futa lu lehrrap evengìri. Aylì'ul oeyä skarma'a poanä tìyawnit a pxel snori, ulte oeyk sami tì'efuru kea lepxanä fpeykìl futa po ke lu pxan. Nì'i'a tsal tìsraw seykami Pxopiyä tireat nìwotx, ulte fkol ke tsun ziveykivo tsat. Lehawngkrr nìhawng lamängu. Nawma Sa'nokìl ke namew futa 'itan oeyä spä eo tsawla apxa 'u a tspang poanit. Pxopi tamerkup taluna poanä sa'sem yaymak längu ulte txopu si lì'uri alu san kxäy sìk. Namew poan pamreltu livu. Sweylu fwa ke skilva'a oel poanä ayrangalit sì aysìsìlpeyit, slä tsaw len. Lu eveng, na Pxopi, a terok fìtsenget ayngeyä fongmì aswok. Hu tìfnu, tayìng mìkyun ayngaru krr a peng san amen sìk, ulte fìlì'ul skìya'a aysìsìlpeyit foeyä. Ayngeyä txopul sì tìve'kìl aykäyìri, sì yaymaka aylì'ul tìfnu sayi fneyku aylì'ut aswok fea Eywana teri tìtslam sì tìyawn. Ha srekrr peng san amen sìk kelkumì ayngeyä sì fongumì, fpìl. Fpìl ulte zerok. Eveng terìng mikyun.

Tse, ma Ftxavanga, nìngay lu tìkangkemvi angäzìk, slä oel fpìl futa, hufwa lu keyey, hasey soli nìltsan nìngay nga :) Aylì'u lu seykxel sì ngay, ha sunu oeru fwa fì'upxaret ftoley ngal fte ralpiveng.
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Kamean

Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


Ftxavanga Txe′lan

Srungìri sì aylì'uri atstunwi irayo seiyi ngaru, ma Sireayä mokri. :)
Law lu oe fwa tìsteftxawìl kamrrnekx pxaya krrit, ulte oel *appreciate* tsat nìngay! :)

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on July 29, 2011, 10:46:37 AMTse, ma Ftxavanga, nìngay lu tìkangkemvi angäzìk, slä oel fpìl futa, hufwa lu keyey, hasey soli nìltsan nìngay nga :) Aylì'u lu seykxel sì ngay, ha sunu oeru fwa fì'upxaret ftoley ngal fte ralpiveng.

Sunu oeru nìngay fwa peng fì'ut ngal. :D Irayo nìtxan! Tsal wìntxu oeru futa hasey sami ralpengur sìlstan, pxel namew. :)

Futa tslam fra'ut a pameng ngal, fpìl oel. Meu ke lu law nì'aw oeru:

1) Pelun Tìyawn a mìkram mesuté fu mesutan kawng längu? Rangal fì'uru lu Love between a female and a male is evil, kefyak? Slä namew piveng Same-sex love is evil hu Homosexuals are evil. :)

2) Krro krro pamrel sami oe poanä, slä eyawra lì'u livu peyä srak? AP Noval pameng fì'ut oeru nìsok, fpìl oel. :)

Quote from: Kamean on July 29, 2011, 10:57:44 AM
Great work. :)

Irayo si oe ngaru, ma 'eylan! :D

Sireayä mokri

Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on July 29, 2011, 01:16:21 PM
1) Pelun Tìyawn a mìkram mesuté fu mesutan kawng längu? Rangal fì'uru lu Love between a female and a male is evil, kefyak? Slä namew piveng Same-sex love is evil hu Homosexuals are evil. :)

Tsaw slu nìÌnglìsì san love between two women or two men sìk. Ke omum oel nìngay futa ftey tsun fko fìfya sivar lì'uti alu mìkam fuke, slä fpìl oel futa tsun tivam fìtseng.

Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on July 29, 2011, 01:16:21 PM
2) Krro krro pamrel sami oe poanä, slä eyawra lì'u livu peyä srak? AP Noval pameng fì'ut oeru nìsok, fpìl oel. :)

Tsaw tsunslu, lam oer, slä srane, sweylu txo sivar lì'ut alu peyä, txo *ambiguity* ke lu.
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Ftxavanga Txe′lan

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on July 29, 2011, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on July 29, 2011, 01:16:21 PM
1) Pelun Tìyawn a mìkram mesuté fu mesutan kawng längu? Rangal fì'uru lu Love between a female and a male is evil, kefyak? Slä namew piveng Same-sex love is evil hu Homosexuals are evil. :)

Tsaw slu nìÌnglìsì san love between two women or two men sìk. Ke omum oel nìngay futa ftey tsun fko fìfya sivar lì'uti alu mìkam fuke, slä fpìl oel futa tsun tivam fìtseng.

Oh, so mìkram doesn't link suté and sutan together, it is applied to each word independently? Is it because of fu? I hadn't noticed it when I asked my question. ;)

Quote from: Sireayä mokri on July 29, 2011, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on July 29, 2011, 01:16:21 PM
2) Krro krro pamrel sami oe poanä, slä eyawra lì'u livu peyä srak? AP Noval pameng fì'ut oeru nìsok, fpìl oel. :)

Tsaw tsunslu, lam oer, slä srane, sweylu txo sivar lì'ut alu peyä, txo *ambiguity* ke lu.

Tslolam! :D Irayo nìtxan nìmun. :)

Blue Elf

Tse, tìkangkem asìltsan, seysonìltsan!

It is great to see such difficult text translated into lì'fya leNa'vi. Such great works always surprise me, what everything is possible, even with not too rich vocabulary. Limits aren't in vocabulary, but just in our fantasy. I'm afraid I wouldn't able to do such work, as I think too literaly. But your abilities are great.
Don't afraid of mistakes, these disappers by training. I'm applauding to you.
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


Tirea Aean

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Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on July 29, 2011, 01:50:23 PM

Oh, so mìkam doesn't link suté and sutan together, it is applied to each word independently? Is it because of fu? I hadn't noticed it when I asked my question. ;)


Great question. IMO Had it been "[...]mìkam suté sì sutan[...]" I would have gotten that mìkam is talking about heterosexuals. however since there was fu, It sounds more like "[...]between men OR (between) women.[...]" I understood it, though I am not 100% sure everyone would the first time.

Ftxavanga Txe′lan

Quote from: Blue Elf on July 29, 2011, 03:58:28 PM
Tse, tìkangkem asìltsan, seysonìltsan!

It is great to see such difficult text translated into lì'fya leNa'vi. Such great works always surprise me, what everything is possible, even with not too rich vocabulary. Limits aren't in vocabulary, but just in our fantasy. I'm afraid I wouldn't able to do such work, as I think too literaly. But your abilities are great.
Don't afraid of mistakes, these disappers by training. I'm applauding to you.

Thank you so much for this comment, ma Blue Elf! :D It really means a lot to me. :)

Tsaw ngay lu, fko tsun hasey sivi sum fra'utu - keng lì'fyahu leNa'vi! :) Pänutìng fwa nìnume oeyä vayar. :D

Quote from: Blue Elf on July 29, 2011, 03:58:28 PM
I'm afraid I wouldn't able to do such work, as I think too literaly.
Fpìl oel futa tsivun fìkangkem sivi oe kop, ma 'eylan! :D Sweylu txo nga fmivi. :)

Quote from: Tirea Aean on July 29, 2011, 05:22:58 PM
Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on July 29, 2011, 01:50:23 PM

Oh, so mìkam doesn't link suté and sutan together, it is applied to each word independently? Is it because of fu? I hadn't noticed it when I asked my question. ;)


Great question. IMO Had it been "[...]mìkam suté sì sutan[...]" I would have gotten that mìkam is talking about heterosexuals. however since there was fu, It sounds more like "[...]between men OR (between) women.[...]" I understood it, though I am not 100% sure everyone would the first time.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. :) Quite an interesting case, actually! ;)

Alyara Arati

Quote from: Blue Elf on July 29, 2011, 03:58:28 PM
Tse, tìkangkem asìltsan, seysonìltsan!

It is great to see such difficult text translated into lì'fya leNa'vi. Such great works always surprise me, what everything is possible, even with not too rich vocabulary. Limits aren't in vocabulary, but just in our fantasy. I'm afraid I wouldn't able to do such work, as I think too literaly. But your abilities are great.
Don't afraid of mistakes, these disappers by training. I'm applauding to you.

Mllte oe nìwotx!  I doubt that I would have even tried to translate that!  But what great imagination and determination you have! :D
Learn how to see.  Realize that everything connects to everything else.
~ Leonardo da Vinci

Ftxavanga Txe′lan

Quote from: Alyara Arati on July 29, 2011, 06:01:46 PM
Quote from: Blue Elf on July 29, 2011, 03:58:28 PM
Tse, tìkangkem asìltsan, seysonìltsan!

It is great to see such difficult text translated into lì'fya leNa'vi. Such great works always surprise me, what everything is possible, even with not too rich vocabulary. Limits aren't in vocabulary, but just in our fantasy. I'm afraid I wouldn't able to do such work, as I think too literaly. But your abilities are great.
Don't afraid of mistakes, these disappers by training. I'm applauding to you.

Mllte oe nìwotx!  I doubt that I would have even tried to translate that!  But what great imagination and determination you have! :D

:) :) :) :) Irayo seiyi ngaru, ma Alyara!

Tirea Aean

Yes, I'll admit when I first saw this thread, I was like... TL;DR, I'll come back later. and now that I'm back I really love how you attempted this, most people wouldnt touch that. and I like how Sireayä took care of what I was going to do when I got here.

You heed Prrton's advice well, and I truly love that about some poeple on this forum.

"Rutxe fmivi, ftxey fra'u eyawr fuke ke tsranten."

Ftxavanga Txe′lan

:D :D Thanks so much, ma Tirea! It's really encouraging to read positive feedback like this and notice that I am on the right track. :) I kinda had the feeling my Na'vi learning wasn't that concluding, but I see it worked better than I thought so far. ;)

Sireayä mokri

Quote from: Tirea Aean on July 29, 2011, 05:22:58 PM
Great question. IMO Had it been "[...]mìkam suté sì sutan[...]" I would have gotten that mìkam is talking about heterosexuals. however since there was fu, It sounds more like "[...]between men OR (between) women.[...]" I understood it, though I am not 100% sure everyone would the first time.

That's why I used dual instead of plural ;) But what I doubt here is whether or not it's okay to use mìkam this way. I feel like that is more about taking a physical space between (in the middle) two or more things (persons).
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Tanri

Fì'u leiu pamrel atxantsan nìtxan nang!
Ma Ftxavanga Txe′lan, ngal ftxoley ngaru tstxoti a lu eyawr nìwotx. Ngari txe'lan lu tstew nìngay ulte nga lu pamreltseotu anawm.
Fralì'ut a new oe piveng, li poleng Blue Elfìl, nìwotx mllte oe pohu. Nìngay fìpamrel lu txantsana tìkangkem, seysonìltsan fìtxan!

Teri "mìkam suté sì sutan":
Hufwa lì'ur alu mìkam lu ral a plltxe teri tsenge (na san Tsa'oral tok tsenget a mìkam meram atsawl sìk), silpey oe tsnì tsivunslu fwa sar lì'ut alu mìkam na nì'ìnglìsì idiom.
Ha krr a oe tolìng nari aylì'ur na "tìyawn mìkam mesute", oe tslolam nìltsan.
Kxawm tsun fko pivlltxe nìteng san Tìyawn a lu ftxey mesutér ftxey mesutanur sìk, fu san Tìyawn a 'awstengyem mesutét fu mesutanit sìk.
Tätxawyu akì'ong.

Tirea Aean

Quote from: Tanri on July 30, 2011, 02:54:46 PM
Fì'u leiu pamrel atxantsan nìtxan nang!
Ma Ftxavanga Txe′lan, ngal ftxoley ngaru tstxoti a lu eyawr nìwotx. Ngari txe'lan lu tstew nìngay ulte nga lu pamreltseotu anawm.
Fralì'ut a new oe piveng, li poleng Blue Elfìl, nìwotx mllte oe pohu. Nìngay fìpamrel lu txantsana tìkangkem, seysonìltsan fìtxan!

Teri "mìkam suté sì sutan":
Hufwa lì'ur alu mìkam lu ral a plltxe teri tsenge (na san Tsa'oral tok tsenget a mìkam meram atsawl sìk), silpey oe tsnì tsivunslu fwa sar lì'ut alu mìkam na nì'ìnglìsì idiom.
Ha krr a oe tolìng nari aylì'ur na "tìyawn mìkam mesute", oe tslolam nìltsan.
Kxawm tsun fko pivlltxe nìteng san Tìyawn a lu ftxey mesutér ftxey mesutanur sìk, fu san Tìyawn a 'awstengyem mesutét fu mesutanit sìk.



good points here. 1, it's unanimous, this translation was very good. :D 2, I also understood mìkam used as the English idiom, which as you and Sireayä mokri say is probably not possible to use in such a way in Na'vi although I understood it. I like you suggestion there: Love which joins two women or two men. though I think this even is idiomatic ;D I cant think of a way to say that which is NOT, so it's okay.

Sireayä mokri

Quote from: Tirea Aean on July 30, 2011, 09:50:58 PM
I also understood mìkam used as the English idiom, which as you and Sireayä mokri say is probably not possible to use in such a way in Na'vi although I understood it.

I wouldn't say it's impossible (since it can also be used this way in Russian and probably many other languages), but right now it is unconfirmed and we don't really have anything pointing out that it might be.
When the mirror speaks, the reflection lies.

Ftxavanga Txe′lan

Quote from: Tanri on July 30, 2011, 02:54:46 PM
Fì'u leiu pamrel atxantsan nìtxan nang!
Ma Ftxavanga Txe′lan, ngal ftxoley ngaru tstxoti a lu eyawr nìwotx. Ngari txe'lan lu tstew nìngay ulte nga lu pamreltseotu anawm.
Fralì'ut a new oe piveng, li poleng Blue Elfìl, nìwotx mllte oe pohu. Nìngay fìpamrel lu txantsana tìkangkem, seysonìltsan fìtxan!

Irayo fìtxan nang, ma Tanri! :) Aylì'ul ngeyä munge tìseykxelit sì tìnitramit oeru nìngay. :D

Quote from: Tirea Aean on July 30, 2011, 09:50:58 PMI like you suggestion there: Love which joins two women or two men. though I think this even is idiomatic ;D I cant think of a way to say that which is NOT, so it's okay.

Yes, I like that alternative, too. :) Well, is there actually anything bad about idioms? They contribute making a language rich and special, kefyak?

Tirea Aean

Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on July 31, 2011, 02:27:03 PM

Yes, I like that alternative, too. :) Well, is there actually anything bad about idioms? They contribute making a language rich and special, kefyak?

Well officially declared idioms are awesome of course! :D They certainly add flavor and life to a language. but the issue here is translating an idiom into Na'vi ;)

Ftxavanga Txe′lan

Quote from: Tirea Aean on July 31, 2011, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: Ftxavanga Txe′lan on July 31, 2011, 02:27:03 PM

Yes, I like that alternative, too. :) Well, is there actually anything bad about idioms? They contribute making a language rich and special, kefyak?

Well officially declared idioms are awesome of course! :D They certainly add flavor and life to a language. but the issue here is translating an idiom into Na'vi ;)

Oh, right! ;D In this case, we must really be careful not to translate the words, but rather the general meaning. :)