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Offline Alyara Arati

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Kea Tìsraw
« on: September 22, 2011, 02:46:22 am »
txo oe kivä
txo zivene oe hivum
ke tsrivanten
nìngay ke tsrivanten

kawkrr sì frakrr oe lolu
kawkrr oe ke tolok
frakrr oe fkeytolok

ha txo oe vivar
fu txo nivew oe 'ivì'awn
ke tsrivanten
nìngay ke tsrivanten

fra'u sì ke'u livatem
fra'u frakrr leratem
ke'u kawkrr ke latem

tafral rä'ä 'efu keftxo
tafral rä'ä tsngawvìk
talun uk nì'aw 'ivi'a
talun mi oeru livu fpom

« Last Edit: November 02, 2011, 05:17:42 pm by Alyara Arati »
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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2011, 03:04:58 am »
English, rutxe?  :)
Oel ayngati kameie ma oeyä aysmukan sì aysmuke ulte Eywa ayngahu livu

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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2011, 06:09:51 am »
This is really beautiful! I like it a lot  :)
Krro krro pamrel seri fìtsengmì, alu oey pìlok leNa'vi
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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2011, 06:47:42 am »
Tse, pamrel atxantsan nìfrakrr, ma Alyara, slä keftxo nì'it... Srake nga 'efu keftxo?

And this part:
fra'u sì ke'u livatem
I'd rewrite as ke'u requires negation, while fra'u not, so:

ke'u sì fra'u livatem
or
fra'u livatem ulte ke'u ke livatem (too long, I know...)

I'm interested what more experienced people say about it

Syulangur Nì'ìnglìsì (some freedom taken on translation):

If I'll go
if I'd must to leave
it wouldn't matter
really, it wouldn't matter

I was never and ever
I never occupied
I always existed
so if will continue
or if I'd want to stay
it wouldn't matter
really, it wouldn't matter

Everything and nothing would change
everything is changing always
nothing ever changes
therefore don't be sad
therefore don't cry
because I'll always be happy
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
"Oe tasyätxaw ulte koren za'u oehu" (Limonádový Joe)


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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2011, 09:07:07 am »
Prrte' oeru fwa tse'a lahea pamrelit ngeyä fìtseng, ma Alyara :)

ke'u sì fra'u livatem
or
fra'u livatem ulte ke'u ke livatem

Both are fine to me. The first one being probably more poetic.
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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2011, 09:23:09 am »
Irayo nìtxan ma tsmuktu.  Nìngay. :D

because I'll always be happy

I might have said "because I'd still be at peace", but thank you ma Blue Elf for the excellent translation. :)
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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2011, 09:50:10 am »
ke'u sì fra'u livatem
or
fra'u livatem ulte ke'u ke livatem

Both are fine to me. The first one being probably more poetic.
Well, I was interested what you mean about original line: fra'u sì ke'u livatem

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I might have said "because I'd still be at peace", but thank you ma Blue Elf for the excellent translation.
:) that's way I did note about translation freedom. Translating Na'vi into English is easier than opposite direction (although it depends on author :D)
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2011, 09:59:29 am »
Well, I was interested what you mean about original line: fra'u sì ke'u livatem

I don't have anything against it, actually. But that's based solely on my perception of it in Russian.
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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2011, 10:45:20 am »
Ma Aylara, txantsan nìtxan nang! :)

+1 :D
Tse'a ngal ke'ut a krr fra'uti kame.


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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2011, 08:42:58 pm »
Irayo nìtxan ma Kamean.  Fpìl oel futa kxawm new oel relit fpi fìpoem, slä ke rolun oel pumit aeyawr ke li.
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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2011, 11:55:53 pm »
kawkrr oe ke tolok

Here's where I find the real issue: how can tok exist on its own with no direct object?  Perhaps better with fkeytok or lu if you don't want a direct object, otherwise, add one.

Txantsana pamrel a keftxo nì'it, slä mi oeru sunu.

[img]http://swokaikran.skxawng.lu/sigbar/nwotd.php?p=2b[/img]

ÌTXTSTXRR!!

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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2011, 08:56:27 am »
Ma 'Oma Tirea, irayo.  And I know that it is strange, using tok without a direct object, but I wanted a word that conveyed "been" in the sense of "been an embodied, physical being".  Blue Elf's choice of "occupied" does a pretty good job of describing that in English. :)
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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2011, 08:59:23 am »
Here's where I find the real issue: how can tok exist on its own with no direct object?

"Occupy an unspecified space"? Antipassive is still a very vague matter.
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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2011, 09:07:20 am »
Ma Alyara, txantsana pamrel :D
kawkrr ke ftang pivlltxe :P

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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2011, 09:54:24 am »
Ma 'Oma Tirea, irayo.  And I know that it is strange, using tok without a direct object, but I wanted a word that conveyed "been" in the sense of "been an embodied, physical being".  Blue Elf's choice of "occupied" does a pretty good job of describing that in English. :)
I was wondering a little too, but I think we must allow some "not correct" construction in poetry, otherwise it would not be so nice and interesting. Even poetry on Earth uses such thing - and earth's languages have more rich vocabulary than Na'vi :)
Oe lu skxawng skxakep. Slä oe nerume mi.
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Re: Kea Tìsraw
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2011, 10:31:29 am »
I think we must allow some "not correct" construction in poetry, otherwise it would not be so nice and interesting. Even poetry on Earth uses such thing - and earth's languages have more rich vocabulary than Na'vi :)

Thank you ma 'eylan.  Those were my feelings on the matter exactly. :D  And thanks as well to you, ma Tan Jala! :)
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